It was not a firmware issue. I tried upgrading 3 of the APs to a full license to see if it resolved the issue. Tried many different firmwares. Replaced the antennas and jumpers. Put in a 450i and everything was great. I assumed the "Lite" APs were refurbs or something. I suppose more realistically we ordered them all at the same time so they were all one batch.

        
Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
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onlinenw.com <http://onlinenw.com>



On 8/31/2016 5:20 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The uplink SSR issue remains after upgrading from 13.2.1 (or 13.2.1.3 for Lites) to 14.1.2.

BTW, I have this on one or two non-Lites (never were Lites). One is 0a-00-3e-40-82 and the other is 0a-00-3e-40-f5. The -82 is obviously older. Old enough in fact that it doesn't have the GNSS receiver, GPS only.

On 8/31/2016 7:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
That seems strange since Lite is just a license key, the hardware is the same, and in fact you can upgrade a Lite to a Full with a key.� There was a certain firmware version that the first Lites shipped with, before that the FW didn�t know about the Lite/Full keys.� You�re sure it�s not a firmware problem you�re having?� Version 14.1.2 seems to solve a myriad of problems.
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*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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We have seen this on every 5GHz "Lite" AP we have installed. We have RMA'd all of them to date that we didn't wait too long to deal with. The problem was clear upon initial installation, it did not occur over time. We have never seen it on a non-"Lite" model. We just don't buy them anymore, especially since now we are onto 450i.

        
Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
[email protected]
onlinenw.com <http://onlinenw.com>



On 8/31/2016 4:24 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yes. I have a handful of APs that show all SM uplink SSRs imbalanced. All 3.65, IIRC. Downlink SSR is fine. Uplink rates still run MIMO-B. Maybe it's a calibration issue on those APs. And yes, I have noticed it since the day they were installed. We haven't bothered to replace them. And I just haven't had time to dig into it.

I'll just say that even though an SM's session may show 8.0dB B-A, SNRs look normal (35B, 35A for example). That's on the AP session page, power tab. And yes, that's with the SM actively passing traffic. Is it a real problem or cosmetic, perhaps due to a calibration issue? I don't have a clue.

On 8/31/2016 4:12 PM, Darren Shea wrote:
Has anyone else had an issue with Cambium PMP450 APs where one of the
polarities starts to get weaker - it's hard to detect until someone has an issue, but it usually manifests for us as a sudden, drastic change in the Signal Strength Ratio (V-H) on the AP, for all connected SMs. Normally, it's pretty close to zero, as long as there is traffic, but when the problem
manifests, the typical value will shoot up to anywhere from 8 to 20dB
(absolute value, since sometimes it's the Vertical Polarity, other times it's the Horizontal). I built an MRTG tracking page for this value for a few LUIDs on each AP, and it has brought the problem to our attention for some APs, but we only catch it when we are looking, and the fact the values are
unpredictable if no traffic is flowing makes this a difficult graph to
read..

Here's the thing - we've had six APs with this issue. We take them down and replace just the AP (same sector antenna, it doesn't get moved, same antenna leads, etc.), and it always fixes the problem. We have also done bench tests on the troubled APs, taking care to keep every single thing about the test precisely the same, other than the AP, and we can duplicate the same failure
mode - it follows the AP, and the AP alone. Unfortunately, even though
there's a common failure mode, these didn't all have the decency to fail during their first year of service, and we haven't had any luck getting them repaired, either. Are we seeing something unique, or has this happened to
anyone else?

Just wondering
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