There used to be a “NiFe” battery company.  Had some in central offices years 
ago.  Pretty robust units.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 2:25 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

The "new again" technology which seems most appropriate for solar is nickel 
iron.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93iron_battery

There are a few vendors which are making these new at this point...  previously 
most of them in use were refurbished cells from when they were more popular.  


On Oct 1, 2016 2:09 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> wrote:

  That company that has the salt water batteries said they wanna cut the cost 
on them in half over the next 5 years. Then that's really going to get 
interesting... Read somewhere the lifespan was 20 years on them and also they 
are not affected by low temperatures once fully discharged.

  On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:

    According to the news around here, lead acid batteries are the most 
recycled device on the planet...   They are just about to open a new "green" 
recycling plant here that doesn't generate all the bad gasses that a normal 
plant does when heating the mess to 1300 degrees to melt it all apart..   So we 
have been given the 30 second crash news education on lead acid batteries for 
the last week...

    On 10/01/2016 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

      I would think lead-acid batteries are almost 100% recyclable, I’m not
      sure about Li-Ion.  I try to avoid Chinese made AGM batteries because of
      their poor track record on the environment, but it’s hard to avoid them
      entirely.

      Maybe I’m naïve, and when I take used batteries to the battery dealer
      for recycling, they toss them in the dumpster and they are hauled to the
      landfill.  But I would think at least the lead would be worth enough to
      recover.

      *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
      *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 1:43 PM
      *To:* [email protected]
      *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

      That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
      from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
      ~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close to
      the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

      On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
      <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

          I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
          was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
          seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
          systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
          to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened....

          
https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteries/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#AQU24S-83

          On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]
          <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

              
https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

              And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….

              Thought you might like that Chuck.

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