Yeah we see an absolute tonne of android based boxes here in Canada for “free” TV as well … Kijiji ads all over the place promoting them and stuff … basically Kodi boxes with some “grey plugins” - not really anything new technically, but now better packaged than ever …
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 1:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't > offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are > blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. > > People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their > trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net > activity is also causing their xhamster buffering > > > On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a > confusing moment... > > From: CBB - Jay Fuller <> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update. It is an earlier Netflix > interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface..... > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > To: <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering" > Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM > > In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure > to update the app on the smart TV? > > > > Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung. I know a lot of the > early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers. > > > > > > <> > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On > Behalf Of Joe Novak > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > > In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix > 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming > boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct > TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could > tell. > > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <>> wrote: > > The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually > stopping and starting. Previously he was saying it took a long time to > buffer but was fine once the picture appeared. That’s what got me to > thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the > video started playing, not problems while it was playing. The next challenge > is to find out what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them > all “Netflix”. But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because > Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it > is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than > just slow Internet. Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 > download overloading the connection. > > > > We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their > “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but > there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your > Internet is too slow. I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an > online class on her computer which was telling her “you are not connected > to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right. Tech > support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too slow. > I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet > was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle. > > > > <> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > > I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering. > > > > From: Ken Hohhof > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM > > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > > But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m wondering if when a customer > talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to > start playing. > > > > And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix. And I’m > pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, > and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology > allows changing the stream quality on the fly. Other services like maybe > Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently. > > > > Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect > rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer > at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now. > > > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM > To: af <af@afmug.com <>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > > Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying > for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts. > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <>> wrote: > > Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP > that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream? It's a > beautiful thing. > > People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, > take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on > tablets simultaneously... > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <>> wrote: > > When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, > where the video stops and starts. > > > > I’m starting to wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the > video starts playing. Is this a thing? And do people pay for faster > Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to > 5 or 10 seconds? > > > > > > >
