My networking lab in the basement is wired :P

On Oct 15, 2016 4:49 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

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> My house is cat5 wired :)
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> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
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> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 1:28 PM
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> Running cable takes work and people are lazy.
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> (I have a bunch of OM4 I need to run and 2 boxes of cat6 sitting there, so
> I can't really say crap!)
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> On Oct 15, 2016 1:23 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
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>> I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify
>> the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have
>> multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is
>> your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300
>> router.  And honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content
>> streaming 4K video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the
>> big screens.  Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,
>> especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on
>> wheels.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
>> *To:* a...@afmug..com <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
>> beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
>> runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
>> setup. I've been excited to play around with it.
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>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
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>> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know
>> how to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
>> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
>> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
>> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
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>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
>> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
>> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
>> days.
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>> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
>> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
>> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
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>> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
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>> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
>> confusing moment...
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>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
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>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
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>> *To:* af@afmug.com
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
>> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
>> interface.....
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>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
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>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
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>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
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>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
>> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
>> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
>> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
>> could tell.
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>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
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>> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
>> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
>> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
>> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
>> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
>> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
>> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
>> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
>> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
>> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
>> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
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>> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
>> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
>> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
>> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
>> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
>> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
>> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
>> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
>> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
>> turtle.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
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>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
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>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
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>> *To:* af@afmug.com
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
>> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
>> start playing.
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>> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
>> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
>> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
>> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
>> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
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>> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
>> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
>> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
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>> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
>> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
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>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
>> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
>> beautiful thing.
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>> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
>> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
>> on tablets simultaneously...
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>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
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>> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
>> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>>
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>> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
>> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
>> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
>> to 5 or 10 seconds?
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