Make them pay for it though, don't leave money at the table unnecessarily. Time Warner could be selling me a 10gig fiber connection over the same fiber stand that they are selling me a 1gig. Why are they not giving me 10gig? Because I know the fiber can handle it. Its because they can and they know that nobody else in the area is offering a 10gig connection right now. Simple business. I learned that over the last several years that if you under-charge for something, every month that goes by that's money that you've lost that you'll never get back.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Because you can? > > FWIW: I don't mean 50 instead of 20, I mean 20 instead of 5. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:42:25 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > Don't offer significantly faster speeds in your area unless your forced to > by a competitor. If your competitor is offer 3mbps packages then you can > offer 10mbps packages and be safe. But no sense in offering 50mbps packages > if their only other option is 1.5mbps. What would the point of that be? > Your basically giving away bandwidth for free that you don't have to be. > You could give the customer the option of the 50mbps package but at a much > higher cost since you don't have any competition offering it. > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> End user experience. If you're putting 50 customers on and you're peaking >> relatively low on the frame utilization, you could increase what you're >> offering. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:30:36 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> How is being able to serve 100+ subs from one AP a bad thing? >> >> >> >> Whether APs are cheap or expensive, we are not in the business of buying >> APs, we are in the business of selling Internet to customers. More >> customers = good. If we can do that without buying more APs, what’s wrong >> with that? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:19 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> >> >> For sure frame utilization is important. My thoughts are that if you're >> loading up that many clients on an AP, maybe you ought to be offering >> faster plans or removing other restrictions instead of loading up more on >> an AP. >> >> Then again, I don't deploy 450, so I don't have high AP costs to be >> worried about. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> As long as your downlink and uplink frame utilization is not maxing out >> on the 450 you can definitely load 100 subs on an AP. With the 30mhz >> channel width and soon to be 40mhz channel width option with the 450 that >> will just help get more subs on per AP. I personally have had 50 subs on an >> old FSK 2.4AP as recent as 1 year ago. that AP was capping out at 10mbps on >> the downlink side. I have no doubt that with a 40mhz channel width 450 AP >> which would net about 175-200mbps downlink on average depending on how many >> subs you have running 6x-8x connections and how busy they are that you >> could easily fit 100+subs on that AP. With Medusa and the ability to push >> 300-400mbps per AP I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some people >> get close to 200 subs on a single AP. Its all about % of frame unitization. >> >> >> >> Now my next question, is Medusa considered Beam Forming? Wasn't the FCC >> originally going to allow higher EIRP on "Smart Antennas." Isn't the Medusa >> about the most smartest AP/Antenna you can get? Just think if the FCC >> allowed a little more power on the Medusa how much more clients you could >> get because the range would be better. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I wouldn't load 100 subs onto any platform out there. There's just not >> enough capacity on any of them. >> >> Same frequency. Technology is how they do it. Tons of stuff out there on >> how beamforming and mu-MIMO works. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor brings another >> solution to market that you could also load 100subs on and not have the >> thing choke. Hopefully Airfiber PTMP will be that. Also what I don't >> understand about Medusa, since it has a bunch of smaller sectors inside of >> it,, is the sectors inside of it running ABABABAB frequency re-use? Why is >> the SM's not getting interference from the adjacent array if they are all >> operating on same 20mhz frequency? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:09 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Update all SMs on the sector to 15.0.0.1. Hang 450m. Shut off 450 sector >> and turn 450m on. Collect stats and share. :) >> >> Don't have high expectations if you have a high concentration of SMs in >> one direction. But you should really see a difference where they're fairly >> spread out over 60-90 degrees. Remember it's 7x 13-degree beams and >> tweaking the azimuth just a little bit may help balance things out. >> >> On 11/1/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: >> >> That is 100% why I want to use it.� We have an overloaded AP and no new >> frequency.� A 3x performance boost will solve the problem.� I also hope >> the 17 degree beams will reduce interference seen by the AP. >> >> � >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *George Skorup >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> � >> >> The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few weeks ago where an operator (not >> in the US) with over 100 SMs! on a single 450 sector proved that a >> performance boost of 3-3.5x is possible simply by swapping to a 450m >> sector. And that's still using only that single 20MHz channel in 90 >> degrees. They created this thing for a reason. And that right there is it. >> Nuckin futs. >> >> On 11/1/2016 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Rise Broadband.... >> >> ? >> >> � >> >> *From:* Matt Mangriotis >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> � >> >> I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain >> nameless, which has ~1100 active customers across more than 12 sectors of >> 450m.� They are very pleased with the performance. >> >> � >> >> There are several others that are putting up their first sectors now as >> well.� If you run into issues, we are escalating support cases to our >> team that has a lot of experience in deploying this model. >> >> � >> >> Matt >> >> � >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> � >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/ >> File:Alphonsegaston.jpg >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlphonse_and_Gaston%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AAlphonsegaston.jpg&data=01%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cbe305b2cb945442e3cad08d401f726bf%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1&sdata=KVm6mRWBg3SiYCVBHxQYPrJliSwuQdAP2VPMOG5mGJo%3D&reserved=0> >> >> � >> >> � >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband >> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> >> � >> >> Our first 450m should arrive this week.� We plan to replace an existing >> 450 AP that has 66 customers for our first deployment. >> >> � >> >> However, I do not want to do this until I have heard that there are some >> installed and working. >> >> � >> >> Does anyone have 450m up and running.� Would you please share your >> experiences and results. >> >> � >> >> Thanks >> >> � >> >> Adam >> >> � >> >> � >> >> � >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
