That would be nice. While some see 3.65 GHz as the replacement for
900 MHz, we have been using it to replace 2.4 GHz.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:18 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
Ken,
I may be mistaken but at Wispalooza I thought I heard cambium say that
3.65ghz will be the next frequency they do 450m in, *if* they were to
do another frequency at all. 2.4Ghz would be the last, not even sure
if it would even be possible with 900mhz.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah, you look at that spare AP capacity and start giving away
bandwidth, next thing you know it you are spending big bucks to
upgrade your 10 mile licensed backhauls to carry multi gigabit.
On a side note, I wish there was a 450m in 3.65 GHz, where we are
limited both in channel size and total spectrum. No 30 or 40 MHz
channels, we use all 10 MHz channels. Probably not going to see
any development like that at least until CBRS gets settled. And
I’m very, very reluctant to get on the LTE bandwagon, having gone
through the hype and disappointment cycle with WiMAX, and finding
it to be basically a best effort service with limited capacity.
Yeah, we can connect and pass data at -85 dBm, but customer
satisfaction is way lower than our 450 customers, we don’t want to
connect gamers or VoIP customers, and we can’t sell our higher
speed packages. At least we are getting CPEs now that are a
little less stupid than the Gemteks, but I still dread logging
into the basestation, I feel like it should be on a VT100 green
screen monitor.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
Make them pay for it though, don't leave money at the table
unnecessarily. Time Warner could be selling me a 10gig fiber
connection over the same fiber stand that they are selling me a
1gig. Why are they not giving me 10gig? Because I know the fiber
can handle it. Its because they can and they know that nobody else
in the area is offering a 10gig connection right now. Simple
business. I learned that over the last several years that if you
under-charge for something, every month that goes by that's money
that you've lost that you'll never get back.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Because you can?
FWIW: I don't mean 50 instead of 20, I mean 20 instead of 5.
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:42:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
Don't offer significantly faster speeds in your area unless
your forced to by a competitor. If your competitor is offer
3mbps packages then you can offer 10mbps packages and be safe.
But no sense in offering 50mbps packages if their only other
option is 1.5mbps. What would the point of that be? Your
basically giving away bandwidth for free that you don't have
to be. You could give the customer the option of the 50mbps
package but at a much higher cost since you don't have any
competition offering it.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
End user experience. If you're putting 50 customers on and
you're peaking relatively low on the frame utilization,
you could increase what you're offering.
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:30:36 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
How is being able to serve 100+ subs from one AP a bad thing?
Whether APs are cheap or expensive, we are not in the
business of buying APs, we are in the business of selling
Internet to customers. More customers = good. If we can
do that without buying more APs, what’s wrong with that?
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:19 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
For sure frame utilization is important. My thoughts are
that if you're loading up that many clients on an AP,
maybe you ought to be offering faster plans or removing
other restrictions instead of loading up more on an AP.
Then again, I don't deploy 450, so I don't have high AP
costs to be worried about.
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
As long as your downlink and uplink frame utilization is
not maxing out on the 450 you can definitely load 100 subs
on an AP. With the 30mhz channel width and soon to be
40mhz channel width option with the 450 that will just
help get more subs on per AP. I personally have had 50
subs on an old FSK 2.4AP as recent as 1 year ago. that AP
was capping out at 10mbps on the downlink side. I have no
doubt that with a 40mhz channel width 450 AP which would
net about 175-200mbps downlink on average depending on how
many subs you have running 6x-8x connections and how busy
they are that you could easily fit 100+subs on that AP.
With Medusa and the ability to push 300-400mbps per AP I
wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some people get
close to 200 subs on a single AP. Its all about % of frame
unitization.
Now my next question, is Medusa considered Beam Forming?
Wasn't the FCC originally going to allow higher EIRP on
"Smart Antennas." Isn't the Medusa about the most smartest
AP/Antenna you can get? Just think if the FCC allowed a
little more power on the Medusa how much more clients you
could get because the range would be better.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I wouldn't load 100 subs onto any platform out there.
There's just not enough capacity on any of them.
Same frequency. Technology is how they do it. Tons of
stuff out there on how beamforming and mu-MIMO works.
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor
brings another solution to market that you could also
load 100subs on and not have the thing choke.
Hopefully Airfiber PTMP will be that. Also what I
don't understand about Medusa, since it has a bunch of
smaller sectors inside of it,, is the sectors inside
of it running ABABABAB frequency re-use? Why is the
SM's not getting interference from the adjacent array
if they are all operating on same 20mhz frequency?
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:09 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Update all SMs on the sector to 15.0.0.1. Hang
450m. Shut off 450 sector and turn 450m on.
Collect stats and share. :)
Don't have high expectations if you have a high
concentration of SMs in one direction. But you
should really see a difference where they're
fairly spread out over 60-90 degrees. Remember
it's 7x 13-degree beams and tweaking the azimuth
just a little bit may help balance things out.
On 11/1/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
That is 100% why I want to use it.� We have
an overloaded AP and no new frequency.� A 3x
performance boost will solve the problem.� I
also hope the 17 degree beams will reduce
interference seen by the AP.
�
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
�
The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few weeks
ago where an operator (not in the US) with
over 100 SMs! on a single 450 sector proved
that a performance boost of 3-3.5x is possible
simply by swapping to a 450m sector. And
that's still using only that single 20MHz
channel in 90 degrees. They created this thing
for a reason. And that right there is it.
Nuckin futs.
On 11/1/2016 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Rise Broadband....
?
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*From:*Matt Mangriotis
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
�
I will say that we have a [very large]
customer that will remain nameless, which
has ~1100 active customers across more
than 12 sectors of 450m.� They are very
pleased with the performance.
�
There are several others that are putting
up their first sectors now as well.� If
you run into issues, we are escalating
support cases to our team that has a lot
of experience in deploying this model.
�
Matt
�
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
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*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
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Our first 450m should arrive this week.�
We plan to replace an existing 450 AP that
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However, I do not want to do this until I
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Does anyone have 450m up and running.�
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