Where are you selling those sms? From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 10:38 AM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m
I can buy a used PMP450 AP for $1200.00. Add KP Omni for $250 so $1,400.00. The mimosa A5-18 Omni lists for $999.00 so the PMP450 is not that much more. I've seen used 450 SM's go for $175 for 20mbps ones. I think the Jury is still out on how well the Mimosa is going to scale. It probably will take years before we know for sure. I definitely would deploy Mimosa over UBNT AC right now. Sounds like Mimosa will have sync and anything without sync these days is basically un-scalable. Now on the PMP450 being expensive, yes if you add up the initial expenses upfront costs are more. But you really have an asset with the 450 because it holds re-sale value very well compared to 802.11 radios. I just sold some old FSK SM's over the weekend for 35% of what i paid for them 10 years ago. Assuming the 450 will still have 50-60% of its value 5 years form now, and the ability to re-coup that money out of the equipment, does it really costs more? I think factoring the re-sale value down the road that it costs less.... Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: For sure frame utilization is important. My thoughts are that if you're loading up that many clients on an AP, maybe you ought to be offering faster plans or removing other restrictions instead of loading up more on an AP. Then again, I don't deploy 450, so I don't have high AP costs to be worried about. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m As long as your downlink and uplink frame utilization is not maxing out on the 450 you can definitely load 100 subs on an AP. With the 30mhz channel width and soon to be 40mhz channel width option with the 450 that will just help get more subs on per AP. I personally have had 50 subs on an old FSK 2.4AP as recent as 1 year ago. that AP was capping out at 10mbps on the downlink side. I have no doubt that with a 40mhz channel width 450 AP which would net about 175-200mbps downlink on average depending on how many subs you have running 6x-8x connections and how busy they are that you could easily fit 100+subs on that AP. With Medusa and the ability to push 300-400mbps per AP I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some people get close to 200 subs on a single AP. Its all about % of frame unitization. Now my next question, is Medusa considered Beam Forming? Wasn't the FCC originally going to allow higher EIRP on "Smart Antennas." Isn't the Medusa about the most smartest AP/Antenna you can get? Just think if the FCC allowed a little more power on the Medusa how much more clients you could get because the range would be better. On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I wouldn't load 100 subs onto any platform out there. There's just not enough capacity on any of them. Same frequency. Technology is how they do it. Tons of stuff out there on how beamforming and mu-MIMO works. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor brings another solution to market that you could also load 100subs on and not have the thing choke. Hopefully Airfiber PTMP will be that. Also what I don't understand about Medusa, since it has a bunch of smaller sectors inside of it,, is the sectors inside of it running ABABABAB frequency re-use? Why is the SM's not getting interference from the adjacent array if they are all operating on same 20mhz frequency? On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:09 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Update all SMs on the sector to 15.0.0.1. Hang 450m. Shut off 450 sector and turn 450m on. Collect stats and share. :) Don't have high expectations if you have a high concentration of SMs in one direction. But you should really see a difference where they're fairly spread out over 60-90 degrees. Remember it's 7x 13-degree beams and tweaking the azimuth just a little bit may help balance things out. On 11/1/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: That is 100% why I want to use it.ï¿1Ž2 We have an overloaded AP and no new frequency.ï¿1Ž2 A 3x performance boost will solve the problem.ï¿1Ž2 I also hope the 17 degree beams will reduce interference seen by the AP. ï¿1Ž2 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m ï¿1Ž2 The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few weeks ago where an operator (not in the US) with over 100 SMs! on a single 450 sector proved that a performance boost of 3-3.5x is possible simply by swapping to a 450m sector. And that's still using only that single 20MHz channel in 90 degrees. They created this thing for a reason. And that right there is it. Nuckin futs. On 11/1/2016 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Rise Broadband.... ? ï¿1Ž2 From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM To:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m ï¿1Ž2 I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain nameless, which has ~1100 active customers across more than 12 sectors of 450m.ï¿1Ž2 They are very pleased with the performance. ï¿1Ž2 There are several others that are putting up their first sectors now as well.ï¿1Ž2 If you run into issues, we are escalating support cases to our team that has a lot of experience in deploying this model. ï¿1Ž2 Matt ï¿1Ž2 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m ï¿1Ž2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/File:Alphonsegaston.jpg<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlphonse_and_Gaston%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AAlphonsegaston.jpg&data=01%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cbe305b2cb945442e3cad08d401f726bf%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1&sdata=KVm6mRWBg3SiYCVBHxQYPrJliSwuQdAP2VPMOG5mGJo%3D&reserved=0> ï¿1Ž2 ï¿1Ž2 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m ï¿1Ž2 Our first 450m should arrive this week.ï¿1Ž2 We plan to replace an existing 450 AP that has 66 customers for our first deployment. ï¿1Ž2 However, I do not want to do this until I have heard that there are some installed and working. ï¿1Ž2 Does anyone have 450m up and running.ï¿1Ž2 Would you please share your experiences and results. ï¿1Ž2 Thanks ï¿1Ž2 Adam ï¿1Ž2 ï¿1Ž2 ï¿1Ž2
