the man ran against the dnc, the gop, and the media and won. doing things previously thought impossible by those stuck in a mindset of complacency is now his stock and trade
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > A wall is impractical. Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord. The wall stops > nothing. People detectors are much more practical. Give the list members > a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras > that will get ‘er done. > > Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so > far impossible. We will need some really functional MRI technology and > perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible. > > And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out. > No I look Arab but I am a Christian... Can’t vet that. > > But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a > few days, so there’s that.... > > *From:* Paul McCall > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day > > > Jaime, > > > > I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere > in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of his statements > was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points. Instead of > listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took > great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and > liberal agenda. > > > > In now particular order… > > > > There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into > this county. None in the constitution, none in current policy or law. > There is a policy to apply for legal immigration. > > > > #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US has a > right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be > a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) > to protect itself now and in the future. The US has given up on that for > way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively > small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked. The is > almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes > into the country. > > > > That being said… > > The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who > these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a > wise move. He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those > friends were essentially, vetted by myself. Not in a formal action but in > getting to know them. They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard > facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a > very large number. They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want > to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO > value on your life or theirs. Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment > camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure > out how to deal with some form of system to vet them”. It’s no more > complicated than that. Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like > you to believe. To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty > like being a NAZI is far reaching, > > > > Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) > with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I > experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”. If > there is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect > ourselves domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign > integrity, then we are really, really missing something. It IS a cultural > thing, and it is scary. > > > > Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is > developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is Trump the most > eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive > media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not. > > > > On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to > protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just > Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the problem. But it is a start. > Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south. I > have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else. We employee > some great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the > legal system on him staying here. It’s a mess. He doesn’t support no > control on immigration. I play in a Latin band where I am the only gringo > out of 14 players. None of them would judge as a racist for trying to look > at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of > the problem for us. Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth > from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no > response on accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a > problem. Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a > larger block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he start to > make changes? I believe he can. > > > > Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support > recently. > > > > As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past. I can’t > and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he says though, > without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said openly at each > example on his business, taxes…. ”Those loopholes shouldn’t exist. I > shouldn’t be allowed exploit those. I know all these because I have taken > advantage of most of them. Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME > from doing so!” I believe his intentions are good in that stance. > > > > As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people who > tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting booth and > “flipped that lever” for something other than the PC garbage that has > swarmed a country and been completely ineffective, yet incredibly divisive > for the past 8 years. > > > > I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the gloom and > doom that the media has stroked into existence. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Pablo (Paul) J > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM > *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day > > > > So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist > is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not > racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we don't > teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and perfect how > would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not that they give a > shit.. > > Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in > sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife > and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I weep for our > country... > > > > On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those > that did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal > from illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist. > > US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and > difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day > > I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. > Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I > am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever. > > I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our > Latino friends think about this? > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > And Putin is happy. Wow > > > > On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 1930s and let's > Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him. Many of these > rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. > Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat. Right Wing > radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your > own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor. > > On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Huh? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day > > Proves one thing... We are NOT united states > > > > On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over > the devil you do. > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless > > > > On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and > walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the > door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do > another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the > reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the > right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not. > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't > running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity > candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across > the board for our country." > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote > for > > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the > > internets reach. > > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, > their > > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it. > > > > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything > hes > > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent > > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute > > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance. > > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a > > hell of a race > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> > >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the > >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the > >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling > has > >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected. > >> > >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump.... A Republican hasn't won here since > >>> 1984 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying > >>>> "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and > it was > >>>> filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't > know > >>>> what Trump's policies would be if elected as President". > >>>> > >>>> This is a fascinating election. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> We’re up quite a bit. Lots of Google/Akamai cache streams. Upstreams > >>>>> are up as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > >>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> they can be the beta testers for the walls > >>>>> > >>>>> suprisingly my network is down right now about 40 percent usage, i > >>>>> expected alot of peope would be streaming the election, maybe theyre > >>>>> watching on satellite or already ate their bullets > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If there was ever a place to wall off, start with DC. And then Cook > >>>>>> County. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would rather see American Samoa and Puerto Rico get statehood than > >>>>>> DC. it was set apart for a reason. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:22 PM That One Guy /sarcasm > >>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> thats should be interesting, are they going to petition on their > >>>>>>> crime rate alone? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Josh Reynolds < > j...@kyneticwifi.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> WOW Washington DC just elected to support a bid for statehood by > >>>>>>>> 71%. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:07 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> George is right. My write in might win. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:05 PM Lewis Bergman > >>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If Trump won cali I would demand a recount. Josh is right. This > >>>>>>>>>> whole thing is another exampleof the electoral mess. The only > thing scarier > >>>>>>>>>> than popular vote determination is the convoluted crap we are > in. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:59 PM Josh Reynolds < > j...@kyneticwifi.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Might wanna hang out there for awhile until the toxic cloud > >>>>>>>>>> passes. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:57 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in the basement with my 870 loaded until dawn. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 8:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i want trump to pull california, just to see if clinton will > stand > >>>>>>>>>> by her word to accept the results > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Lewis Bergman > >>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Come on, they could have called Texas 2 years ago. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm > >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by now i expected a clinton lead > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Mathew Howard > >>>>>>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with Ohio? Looks fine to me... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" > >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> what the hell is going on in ohio? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Jaime Solorza > >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> They are calling Texas.... Wow. People still in line here... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < > lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yea. Nobody would believe it, nor should they. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM That One Guy /sarcasm > >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> trump is pulling forward there now. > >>>>>>>>>> If texas went to hillary its a given the race will be contested > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Jaime Solorza > >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So far Texas is 48 vs 48...JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" > >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> always vote! always! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jaime Solorza > >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I voted proudly... That's what count > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < > lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jaimie...I sympathize with your likely feelings of irrelevance. > I > >>>>>>>>>> always vote but in such a red state it doesn't matter how you > vote there are > >>>>>>>>>> so many die hard Republicans it doesn't make a difference. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I wish we could throw some libertarians in there and shake > things > >>>>>>>>>> up. We might get some appreciation. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza > >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Damn. Eric and I are dumb.... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 4:52 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" > > ... > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
