A traditional “wall” would stop nothing. I heard ideas such as 10
feet down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated
cameras into the block wall, AND the people detectors. Something
sophisticated, designed up from the ground up, with purpose.
I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6
months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical. The
question got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just
letting in, we are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are
capable of working at Disney World tomorrow.
J
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics
A wall is impractical. Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord. The wall
stops nothing. People detectors are much more practical. Give the
list members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion
sensors and cameras that will get ‘er done.
Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is
so far impossible. We will need some really functional MRI technology
and perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them
out. No I look Arab but I am a Christian... Can’t vet that.
But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in
just a few days, so there’s that....
*From:*Paul McCall
*Sent:*Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
Jaime,
I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are
sincere in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of his
statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.
Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid
it, and took great liberties to distort for a story line to support
their ratings and liberal agenda.
In now particular order…
There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come
into this county. None in the constitution, none in current policy or
law. There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US has
a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might
not be a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not
just a right) to protect itself now and in the future. The US has
given up on that for way too long and is a very dangerous position
because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” that have let in
completely unchecked. The is almost no vetting system currently, no
structure on protecting who comes into the country.
That being said…
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know
who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is
simply a wise move. He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends
and those friends were essentially, vetted by myself. Not in a formal
action but in getting to know them. They are the first to acknowledge
the cold hard facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in
that religion is a very large number. They also support the “freeze”
because they don’t want to be blown up either randomly at a public
place by people that place NO value on your life or theirs. Trump
hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with
some form of system to vet them”. It’s no more complicated than
that. Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like you to
believe. To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty like
being a NAZI is far reaching,
Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail
(offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and
the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes,
“just normal”. If there is not enough evidence now to justify wise
actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil factions from
permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are really, really
missing something. It IS a cultural thing, and it is scary.
Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system
is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is Trump the
most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the
aggressive media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not.
On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to
protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not
just Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the problem. But it is a
start. Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the
south. I have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody
else. We employee some great Hispanics in my country, and one of
them has struggled with the legal system on him staying here. It’s a
mess. He doesn’t support no control on immigration. I play in a
Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 players. None of them
would judge as a racist for trying to look at the problem and
eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem for
us. Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico
that have committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response
on accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem.
Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a larger
block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he start to
make changes? I believe he can.
Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their
support recently.
As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past. I
can’t and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he says
though, without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said
openly at each example on his business, taxes…. ”Those loopholes
shouldn’t exist. I shouldn’t be allowed exploit those. I know all
these because I have taken advantage of most of them. Now, let’s
created legislation that STOPS ME from doing so!” I believe his
intentions are good in that stance.
As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people who
tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting booth and
“flipped that lever” for something other than the PC garbage that has
swarmed a country and been completely ineffective, yet incredibly
divisive for the past 8 years.
I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the gloom
and doom that the media has stroked into existence.
Respectfully,
Pablo (Paul) J
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture
terrorist is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house
Muslims is not racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of
course since we don't teach history anymore without editing to make us
angelic and perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win
know... Not that they give a shit..
Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on
wife and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I weep
for our country...
On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
former group as racist.
US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a
long and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those
going for the shortcut.
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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
language" or whatever.
I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do
our Latino friends think about this?
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And Putin is happy. Wow
On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
vote for him. Many of these rural voters want the
country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time
will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.
Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over
themselves... And make your own tamales.. They will be
bland with no flavor.
On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Huh?
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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the
devil you don't know over the devil you do.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Just watching the fear on those people's faces
is priceless
On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
oh, this is so funny to watch, the media
folks are trying to backpedal and walkback
all the nonsense theyve pulled this year,
but theyre leaving the door open to not go
too far if hillary still flips its so they
can do another 180. This is probably the
best thing to watch of the night as the
reality sets in that they may have really
fu**ed up
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis
Bergman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The whole "populist" candidate
thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on
the right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh
Reynolds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Somebody mentioned on the news
that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying
our country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have
very, very deep consequences across
the board for our country."
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM,
That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> they skewed their models hoping
the hive mind of the public would
vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued
their influence and undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all
the never trumpers days are
numbers, their
> constituents have spoken.
America is a better place without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a
republican, hes more an
independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major
issues. He could have run an
independent
> race but would have just split
the right. Even if she pulls a
last minute
> hail mary and wins it, this is a
win for the long term of our
governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats, they
just dont know it, 2020 is going
to be a
> hell of a race
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM,
Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> If a Democrat were to have won
this Presidency, it would have
been the
>> first 3 consecutive terms since
that happened beyond the middle of the
>> century. The polling people are
freaking out, as all of their
modeling has
>> been quite far off. This has
been MUCH closer than any of them
expected.
>>
>> Recreational and medical
marijuana is growing as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43
PM, Mathew Howard
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They called Wisconsin for
Trump.... A Republican hasn't won
here since
>>> 1984
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh
Reynolds" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP
commentator on the tv is saying
>>>> "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP
had become an empty vessel, and it was
>>>> filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners
are nervous. We really don't know
>>>> what Trump's policies would be if elected
as President".
>>>>
>>>> This is a fascinating election.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy
B. Larson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We’re up quite a bit. Lots of
Google/Akamai cache streams. Upstreams
>>>>> are up as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, That One
Guy /sarcasm
>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> they can be the beta testers for the
walls
>>>>>
>>>>> suprisingly my network is down right
now about 40 percent usage, i
>>>>> expected alot of peope would be
streaming the election, maybe theyre
>>>>> watching on satellite or already ate
their bullets
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM, George
Skorup <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there was ever a place to wall
off, start with DC. And then Cook
>>>>>> County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather see American Samoa
and Puerto Rico get statehood than
>>>>>> DC. it was set apart for a reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:22 PM That
One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thats should be interesting, are
they going to petition on their
>>>>>>> crime rate alone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Josh
Reynolds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WOW Washington DC just elected to
support a bid for statehood by
>>>>>>>> 71%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:07 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George is right. My write in
might win.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:05 PM
Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump won cali I would demand
a recount. Josh is right. This
>>>>>>>>>> whole thing is another exampleof
the electoral mess. The
only thing scarier
>>>>>>>>>> than popular vote determination
is the convoluted crap we are in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:59 PM
Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Might wanna hang out there for
awhile until the toxic cloud
>>>>>>>>>> passes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:57 PM, "George
Skorup" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in the basement with
my 870 loaded until dawn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 8:53 PM, That One
Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i want trump to pull california,
just to see if
clinton will stand
>>>>>>>>>> by her word to accept the results
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:49 PM,
Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Come on, they could have called
Texas 2 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> by now i expected a clinton lead
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:38 PM,
Mathew Howard
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with Ohio? Looks
fine to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:13 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what the hell is going on in
ohio?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM,
Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are calling Texas.... Wow.
People still in line here...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:57 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yea. Nobody would believe it,
nor should they.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> trump is pulling forward there
now.
>>>>>>>>>> If texas went to hillary its a
given the race will be contested
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM,
Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far Texas is 48 vs 48...JUST
THAT IS DIFFERENT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:00 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> always vote! always!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:48 PM,
Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I voted proudly... That's what
count
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jaimie...I sympathize with your
likely feelings of irrelevance. I
>>>>>>>>>> always vote but in such a red
state it doesn't matter how you
vote there are
>>>>>>>>>> so many die hard Republicans it
doesn't make a difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wish we could throw some
libertarians in there and shake
things
>>>>>>>>>> up. We might get some
appreciation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:58 PM
Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damn. Eric and I are dumb....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 4:52 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm"
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