And that was the left doing it. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Petermann <[email protected]> wrote:
> "The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying > while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. " > > You mean like this: > > Except in this case it was the kid they dragged off. > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > [email protected]> wrote: > > A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I > would dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if > they participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in > the first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico, > they still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came > through legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico. > > The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying > while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. > They forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept > second class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall > (mental wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast > clip, nobody faults him for tearing families apart. > > get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000 > syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population > we could migrate into citizens...today > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote: >> >> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing. I heard ideas such as 10 feet >> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into >> the block wall, AND the people detectors. Something sophisticated, >> designed up from the ground up, with purpose. >> >> >> >> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 >> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical. The question >> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we >> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working >> at Disney World tomorrow. >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *[email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics >> >> >> >> A wall is impractical. Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord. The wall >> stops nothing. People detectors are much more practical. Give the list >> members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and >> cameras that will get ‘er done. >> >> >> >> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so >> far impossible. We will need some really functional MRI technology and >> perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible. >> >> >> >> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out. >> No I look Arab but I am a Christian... Can’t vet that. >> >> >> >> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just >> a few days, so there’s that.... >> >> >> >> *From:* Paul McCall >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day >> >> >> >> Jaime, >> >> >> >> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere >> in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of his statements >> was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points. Instead of >> listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took >> great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and >> liberal agenda. >> >> >> >> In now particular order… >> >> >> >> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come >> into this county. None in the constitution, none in current policy or >> law. There is a policy to apply for legal immigration. >> >> >> >> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US has a >> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be >> a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) >> to protect itself now and in the future. The US has given up on that for >> way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively >> small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked. The is >> almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes >> into the country. >> >> >> >> That being said… >> >> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who >> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a >> wise move. He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those >> friends were essentially, vetted by myself. Not in a formal action but in >> getting to know them. They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard >> facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a >> very large number. They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want >> to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO >> value on your life or theirs. Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment >> camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure >> out how to deal with some form of system to vet them”. It’s no more >> complicated than that. Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like >> you to believe. To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty >> like being a NAZI is far reaching, >> >> >> >> Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) >> with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I >> experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”. If >> there is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect >> ourselves domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign >> integrity, then we are really, really missing something. It IS a cultural >> thing, and it is scary. >> >> >> >> Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is >> developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is Trump the most >> eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive >> media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not. >> >> >> >> On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to >> protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just >> Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the problem. But it is a start. >> Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south. I >> have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else. We employee >> some great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the >> legal system on him staying here. It’s a mess. He doesn’t support no >> control on immigration. I play in a Latin band where I am the only gringo >> out of 14 players. None of them would judge as a racist for trying to look >> at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of >> the problem for us. Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth >> from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no >> response on accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a >> problem. Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a >> larger block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he start to >> make changes? I believe he can. >> >> >> >> Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support >> recently. >> >> >> >> As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past. I >> can’t and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he says >> though, without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said openly at >> each example on his business, taxes…. ”Those loopholes shouldn’t exist. I >> shouldn’t be allowed exploit those. I know all these because I have taken >> advantage of most of them. Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME >> from doing so!” I believe his intentions are good in that stance. >> >> >> >> As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people who >> tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting booth and >> “flipped that lever” for something other than the PC garbage that has >> swarmed a country and been completely ineffective, yet incredibly divisive >> for the past 8 years. >> >> >> >> I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the gloom and >> doom that the media has stroked into existence. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> Pablo (Paul) J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day >> >> >> >> So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist >> is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not >> racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we don't >> teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and perfect how >> would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not that they give a >> shit.. >> >> Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in >> sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife >> and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I weep for our >> country... >> >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those >> that did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal >> from illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist. >> >> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and >> difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day >> >> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. >> Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I >> am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever. >> >> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our >> Latino friends think about this? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> And Putin is happy. Wow >> >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 1930s and let's >> Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him. Many of these >> rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. >> Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat. Right Wing >> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your >> own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor. >> >> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Huh? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day >> >> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states >> >> >> >> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over >> the devil you do. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless >> >> >> >> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal >> and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving >> the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do >> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the >> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the >> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't >> running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity >> candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across >> the board for our country." >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote >> for >> > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the >> > internets reach. >> > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, >> their >> > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it. >> > >> > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than >> anything hes >> > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an >> independent >> > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last >> minute >> > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our >> governance. >> > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be >> a >> > hell of a race >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the >> >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the >> >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling >> has >> >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them >> expected. >> >> >> >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump.... A Republican hasn't won here since >> >>> 1984 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying >> >>>> "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and >> it was >> >>>> filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't >> know >> >>>> what Trump's policies would be if elected as President". >> >>>> >> >>>> This is a fascinating election. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <[email protected] >> > >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We’re up quite a bit. Lots of Google/Akamai cache streams. >> Upstreams >> >>>>> are up as well. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> they can be the beta testers for the walls >> >>>>> >> >>>>> suprisingly my network is down right now about 40 percent usage, i >> >>>>> expected alot of peope would be streaming the election, maybe theyre >> >>>>> watching on satellite or already ate their bullets >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If there was ever a place to wall off, start with DC. And then Cook >> >>>>>> County. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I would rather see American Samoa and Puerto Rico get statehood >> than >> >>>>>> DC. it was set apart for a reason. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:22 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> thats should be interesting, are they going to petition on their >> >>>>>>> crime rate alone? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Josh Reynolds < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> WOW Washington DC just elected to support a bid for statehood by >> >>>>>>>> 71%. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:07 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected] >> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> George is right. My write in might win. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:05 PM Lewis Bergman >> >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> If Trump won cali I would demand a recount. Josh is right. This >> >>>>>>>>>> whole thing is another exampleof the electoral mess. The only >> thing scarier >> >>>>>>>>>> than popular vote determination is the convoluted crap we are >> in. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:59 PM Josh Reynolds < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Might wanna hang out there for awhile until the toxic cloud >> >>>>>>>>>> passes. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:57 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in the basement with my 870 loaded until dawn. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 8:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> i want trump to pull california, just to see if clinton will >> stand >> >>>>>>>>>> by her word to accept the results >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Lewis Bergman >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Come on, they could have called Texas 2 years ago. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> by now i expected a clinton lead >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Mathew Howard >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with Ohio? Looks fine to me... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> what the hell is going on in ohio? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Jaime Solorza >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> They are calling Texas.... Wow. People still in line here... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Yea. Nobody would believe it, nor should they. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> trump is pulling forward there now. >> >>>>>>>>>> If texas went to hillary its a given the race will be contested >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Jaime Solorza >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So far Texas is 48 vs 48...JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> always vote! always! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jaime Solorza >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I voted proudly... That's what count >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jaimie...I sympathize with your likely feelings of >> irrelevance. I >> >>>>>>>>>> always vote but in such a red state it doesn't matter how you >> vote there are >> >>>>>>>>>> so many die hard Republicans it doesn't make a difference. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I wish we could throw some libertarians in there and shake >> things >> >>>>>>>>>> up. We might get some appreciation. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Damn. Eric and I are dumb.... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 4:52 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >> >> ... >> >> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > >
