I don't think that "cleaning up coal" is necessarily cost effective. It depends a lot on where the coal is from (contaminants). All the different cleaning techniques bring additional issues. Right now, the majority of our coal is an export to China.

bp
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On 11/10/2016 9:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I see environmental regulation becoming more realistic, not based on questionable climate change science, but based on real pollution science. cleaner coal costs less to mitigate the environmental (real environmental, not climate change) impact. Its cost effective and it drives jobs in the mitigation industries.

Now that we are back in a nuclear arms race, there is real potential for nuclear power to be revamped, it is the most efficient production based on footprint, both physical and environmental.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Robert <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    The only reason coal was getting cleaner was environmental
    regulations..  I don't see that happening in the next 4 years but
    the only thing about the new administration I can see is that it
    will be unpredictable, because he like to be unpredictable....

    On 11/10/16 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

        *From:* Bill Prince

        I'll say right now that the wall will not be built.
        Strike one.

        Waste of money and impractical.  Why not give New Mexico and
        Texas back
        to Mexico and tell all the illegals to move there.... ;-)
        (I just don’t see it being a solution).

        Dismantle ACA. Well, maybe, but what are they going to tell the
        22,000,000 people that are getting health insurance that wouldn't
        otherwise? What are they going to do about pre-existing
        conditions? I
        bet they might do something "different", but a wholesale
        dismantling I
        think will not happen.

        ACA is dismantling itself.  Insurers are dropping health
        coverage from
        the product line.  My own low income kids and employees were
        not helped
        by ACA.  Nobody was helped by the ACA.  But that was predicted
        from the
        beginning.  You cannot force an industry that gambles based on
        actuarial
        science to take high risk guaranteed looser customers and not
        respond.
        Bill Clinton even called it a disaster a few months ago.  It is a
        disaster.

        Strike two.

        Restore the coal industries and all the jobs associated with
        it. Not
        going to happen. Coal is on a  downward spiral regardless of any
        toothless proclamations.

        We have lots of coal in Utah.  It keeps getting cleaner and
        cleaner.
        Plus you need it for steel.  We do still make steel in this
        country.
        Hillary was vowing to kill the industry completely. Anybody
        want their
        electricity bills to double?  Focus on improving the coal
        combustion
        process.  Killing jobs == not good.

        Strike three.

        Restore jobs to the rust belt and bring jobs back into the US. See
        above. No proclamations by the ivory tower is going to change the
        economics of those businesses. You tell me what a president
        can do to
        change this. I don't see any changes coming.

        All politicians spout this kind of crap.  They need to fix the
        rust belt
        with education.  This is going to take a few generations.

        Strike four.

        Impose tariffs with China. Oh please. All the stuff all the
        lower income
        folks buy in Walmart come from China. How are they going to
        like the
        massive increase in prices that would entail? Further, China would
        likely retaliate, and then our exports would go down as well.
        Yeah,
        that's a winning strategy.

        +1, this would be a total disaster.  Almost all electronic
        components
        come from China.

        Strike five.

        I could go on and on. This next four years is going to be
        worse than the
        previous 16.





        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 11/10/2016 8:17 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:


            Defend their country? With syria this is complicated.
            Depending on
            where you live and what your religion is you are on one of
            the many
            sides. Many died without the knowledge what side killed them.



            Our wall was there for a long time. Language was the same
            but … To
            bring the eastern back online was **very** expensive and
            it is still
            not done.



            A wall seperate humans. In Europe you travel without
            walls. I drive
            through austria to italy only stopped by these guys who
            want money for
            travelling over their roads. A spain could come to us and
            work. A lot
            of Bulgarian work in other european countries. The income
            in bulgarian
            is comparable to mexicans.



            Germany always pay money for Europe. Eastern countries get
            money until
            they close up. You should see how and where e.g. VW
            produces cars and
            parts. But they also sell into these countries.



            On the long run it makes sense to partner with your
            neighbors. Even if
            you think your neighbor has the bigger benefit.







            *Von:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
            /sarcasm
            *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:49
            *An:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics




            I dont understand it, we built a boatload of ebola camps
            in africa
            that are unused, why not stage the refugees there while
            theyre vetted.
            99 percent of them are good folks, they need to get out of the
            warzone. Men of fighting age should be the lowest priority for
            resettlement since theyre choosing not to defend their
            country, you
            cant really blame them since they dont have the resources
            to do so though.



            germany had a wall that isolated its citizens from one
            another, quite
            a difference between that and a border wall.



            On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                We got 1,000,0000 refugees within 12 month. As you
            know germany is
                a lot smaller than US...  A refugee is not neccesary
            there to stay
                forever. You help him to stay alive and as his country
            comes back
                to "normal" you ask him to go back.
                You should look at the situation of these people and
            consider
                yourself and your family in this situation.

                Best would be to help neighbor countries to be able to
            help, so
                people do not need to travel this far (and it is a lot
            cheaper to
                help). In fact there are a lot of syrian in neighbor
            countries
                which need help themselfes.

                But sorry your president will bomb someone to hell and
            build walls
                (remember we are happy our wall was teared down not so
            long ago).
                Did not hear "humanity" out of his mouth. But yes.
            America first.
                Very selfish. We had the same discussions with
            England. They do
                not like refugees, too. They dont like to be in
            Europe. They want
                to stay on their own.
                Is this where we all are heading to. Selfish countries
            which do
                not like the others and let them alone?



                > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
                > Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>] Im Auftrag von Sam Morris
                > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:00
                > An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

                >
                > If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough
            to call that
                statement into
                > question.
                >
                > On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
                > >  Clinton said we can support
                > > 600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent
            today of the
                > > undocumented population we could migrate into
            citizens...today







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