you just broke my heart youre completely right, the remote agent is not a polling probe as I assumed, I just added one. That was the primary feature I was going to promote to cost justify since it had revenue potential.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m not aware of it having probe capabilities - just had that conversation > with them a month ago. > > Their only solution is to stand up additional servers in remote locations > and have them linked back to the SQL backend …. less than elegant and a > licensing nightmare > > > On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:58 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > [email protected]> wrote: > > solar winds has remote probes. I havent done one yet, im waiting on the > sales guy to get back on the restrictions that imposes as far as selling > monitoring as a service to contract customers, or even other WISPs. > > Im hoping it functions in a similar fashion to the remote pollers in > SNMPc, just a light piece of software you drop on a machine with access to > a network that calls home. Unless you have a backup path for the data to > get to the server, real time would croak out for that network. I enjoyed it > because I could put a poller on my laptop and drop into a network and scan > it. I wanted my laptop to get stolen so I could use it as lojac to locate > it. > > There was an option to do a distributed system with snmpc, but there would > have been no benefit to a remote poller on the same network as the > distributed server. > > We had it set up on a school distrct to monitor their wireless > infrastructure between campuses, it was sweet because we had no external > access, but therough the remoute poller tunnel (it calls home) we had full > snmp read/write access on their network in a secure manner > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Xymon FTW! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> NetXMS *shudder* >>> >>> I can just see you sitting there in an argyle sweater sipping tea out of >>> your Windows95 mug - watching your NetXMS updates in the client. >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> (To be fair, Xymon is WAY older than NetXMS, but it was here decades >>> before I was LOL) >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> NetXMS does that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 11, 2016 9:35:40 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >>>> >>>> We are still using Xymon in parts of our network simply because it >>>> supports proxy collectors. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So that’s one area where Solarwinds falls down in my opinion … there >>>>> may be workarounds but it’s not ideal for that kind of situation … >>>>> >>>>> Some NMS solutions have that capability and I hope Solarwinds will >>>>> develop it at some point as could really use it for some areas of the >>>>> network as well >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How well does it accommodate remote probes? My network isn’t a nice >>>>> central NOC with backhaul links radiating out, and I need the ability to >>>>> monitor things like packet loss and latency from multiple points in the >>>>> network. Also to always have monitoring even if a part of the network >>>>> gets >>>>> isolated by multiple failures like during a storm or DDoS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Baird >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2016 8:48 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >>>>> >>>>> We use both the Solarwinds suite and Zenoss Enterprise at $realjob >>>>> (and a few others). >>>>> >>>>> $30k is cheap for large shops/enterprises. Enterprise monitoring can >>>>> get super expensive. Zenoss Enterprise is usually $100+ per device per >>>>> year. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> LOL … ah yes, Remedy etc …. >>>>> >>>>> I’m one of the few that actually really likes Remedy …. but with the >>>>> caveat that I’m not paying for the system and the team of people to >>>>> actually run it ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, monitoring can get quite expensive. We have some Solarwinds at >>>>> $day_job along with HP OpenView, but we're about to roll out a full BMC >>>>> solution. (TrueSight, etc). We also run Remedy, so you know we are >>>>> gluttons >>>>> for punishment. >>>>> >>>>> We will end up paying more for monitoring this year alone than the >>>>> average house price in California. >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 11, 2016 8:32 AM, "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well the answer to that question is “it depends” …. I’m a big believer >>>>> that business is critical on good monitoring (along with good staff, >>>>> proper >>>>> procedures etc etc). Putting a dollar value on Solarwinds specific to >>>>> your >>>>> business and it’s needs is difficult as everyone is different …. >>>>> >>>>> For some people, buying the Windows licenses and a MS SQL backend is a >>>>> deal breaker right off the bat … for others it’s the actual application >>>>> costs itself >>>>> >>>>> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL100 (up to 100 elements) - >>>>> License with 1st-year Maintenance >>>>> $2895 >>>>> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL250 (up to 250 elements) - >>>>> License with 1st-year Maintenance >>>>> $6495 >>>>> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL500 (up to 500 elements) - >>>>> License with 1st-year Maintenance >>>>> $9995 >>>>> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL2000 (up to 2000 elements) - >>>>> License with 1st-year Maintenance >>>>> $18295 >>>>> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SLX (unlimited >>>>> elements-Standard Polling Throughput) - License with 1st-year Maintenance >>>>> $30395 >>>>> >>>>> List price and they always have some “special” on the go .. but that >>>>> will typically be 10-30% levels on average. >>>>> >>>>> One might argue that alternative system X, perhaps open source, is >>>>> “free”. It has no licensing …. but then you have the time factor and >>>>> possibly support elements of who to call for help should you need it. >>>>> >>>>> I’m a big fan of open source and Linux solutions ….. not a fan of >>>>> Windows. But in general, there’s different tools for different needs for >>>>> different businesses. For our business needs, Solarwinds was a great fit >>>>> and we found it friendly on budget - we have SLX version of Network >>>>> Performance Monitor, additional SLX pollers, SQL Enterprise cluster >>>>> backend, APM SLX monitors and soon will be deploying NCM SLX for >>>>> configuration stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You say price isn’t that bad. Whenever I’ve looked at anything from >>>>> Solarwinds, the price has been way out of reach – serious, serious sticker >>>>> shock. Did I evaluate incorrectly, or am I just cheap? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2016 4:59 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >>>>> >>>>> Solarwinds is interesting software… >>>>> >>>>> I’m now on week #4 of “renovating” our Solarwinds deployment…. >>>>> updating, cleaning stuff up, better automation, better alerting etc etc >>>>> >>>>> i’m a Linux guy … really like open source. But for network monitoring >>>>> I have yet to find an NMS (even commercial) that I actually liked in >>>>> Linux. >>>>> it seems strange just saying that as there’s a lot of great TOOLS in >>>>> Linux >>>>> but for a full blown NMS that’s where I have my issue. >>>>> >>>>> Right now, we run multiple tools on Linux such as Nagios, Cacti, >>>>> Observium, Collectd, Munin to name a few …. and then we have Solarwinds. >>>>> All of these systems are disconnected from one another, so a conscious >>>>> effort has been underway to “standardize’ everything under one platform - >>>>> and this is Solarwinds. >>>>> >>>>> I have been a long time user of their platform - and generally like it >>>>> quite a bit. I wish it didn’t run under Windows and I wish the >>>>> performance >>>>> of the system was better …. also wish they would integrate some of their >>>>> other products into the “common platform” that they have acquired. >>>>> >>>>> Also, the price isn’t that bad (that will vary with company size, >>>>> importance of use etc) and it’s a good system that doesn’t take a huge >>>>> amount of time to manage/maintain once it’s operational. >>>>> >>>>> For their net flow product in particular, depending on number of >>>>> interfaces and flows, make sure you size the database accordingly…. it’s >>>>> very hungry for resources in that regard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We are running a demo of this. It started out as an eyeballing a >>>>> netflow collector and analyzer I dont have to poke all the time. we >>>>> started >>>>> scrutinizer, liked it, but found out the price scale killed any chance of >>>>> getting it approved >>>>> >>>>> the pricing for this wasnt as bad, and the sales guy has some >>>>> incentives, but the whole package was alot, and I didnt intend on even >>>>> looking at the monitoring side because port based pricing models can >>>>> quickly get out of hand >>>>> >>>>> as part of the initial configuration i seeded the auto discovery just >>>>> to get through the setup. in the mean time, some other stuff came up and i >>>>> i got busy, this was friday or thursday >>>>> >>>>> we have been having some intermittent issues with periodic slowness to >>>>> some customers, the symptoms were that of a bottleneck. We had to throw >>>>> some static routes into our OSPF network defeating dynamics to force >>>>> traffic out one connection, thinking maybe it was a saturated lower >>>>> quality >>>>> upstream, no noteable relief. so we thought maybe we were saturating a >>>>> backhaul that was getting to high percentage utilization, we added a >>>>> redundancy and further split traffic up with static routes. no joy. it was >>>>> at a point where the next step was just going site by site auditing every >>>>> device...fun since the issue was intermittent, that means multiple times >>>>> >>>>> the sales guy wanted me to commit to getting this thing up and running >>>>> by this weekend so next week we could list out what we want from it and >>>>> how >>>>> we achieve it, or if we cant do it. >>>>> >>>>> so yesterday i go to turn on the flows and send them to the server, >>>>> the weird slowness is going on so its irritating me. >>>>> >>>>> i decided to clear out the alarms from installation and low and behold >>>>> theres an alarm on a named interface of one of the routers i tossed in on >>>>> discovery saying 90 percent or more usage. this is a 366mb licensed link >>>>> on >>>>> a gigabit interface, so im quite curious. I drill into the detail, the >>>>> port >>>>> is running at 100mb and saturating, i flap the port and its back to >>>>> gigabit. >>>>> >>>>> we only monitor with powercode currently, we have snmpc but its old >>>>> and shut off. Ive toyed with a whole bunch of other opensource and low >>>>> cost >>>>> systems but never had enough time to actually drill down and learn them, i >>>>> did just get a book on nagios because it was cheap on ebay. >>>>> >>>>> powercode is worthless for any amount of invasive alerting or >>>>> monitoring at any detail, if i want ports identified other than by port >>>>> number it requires an individual probe. pita. its good for long term >>>>> static >>>>> monitoring and some real time tools, but its not an NMS. >>>>> >>>>> the point here, is the solarwinds tool is sweet, and for the 100 >>>>> interface package with a promotion the cost is doable if one takes into >>>>> account the time investment of the other opensource platforms, >>>>> installation, learning curve, back end configuration, and plethora of >>>>> gotchas. >>>>> >>>>> this particular issue could have cost us a good deal in man hours >>>>> tracing it, refunds to customers for service impacts, and potential long >>>>> term loss of customers. >>>>> >>>>> now, once i knew where the issue was, i knew exactly where to look in >>>>> our existing data to verify it. 20/20 hindsight doesnt mean those are the >>>>> toolsets that would have been picked out first. if this tool had been in >>>>> production use, we would have known the first time the link negotiated >>>>> down, and addressed it before there was any noteable service impact. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you are very frugal in your interface selection, this can be a good >>>>> choice for an nms (i havent played with the atlas map other than dropping >>>>> some stuff on it) if you dont want to dick around with a diy solution. its >>>>> cheaper if you dont add the netflow analyzer package. Its solar winds so >>>>> its pretty, and user friendly. the flow analyzer does route monitoring >>>>> too, >>>>> i havent looked at that, but the salesguy says he thinks we can visualize >>>>> our ospf with the network atlas component, if thats the case the boss will >>>>> likely drop cash. licensing is perpetual with 20% yearly for maintenance >>>>> if >>>>> you want it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.solarwinds.com/network-bandwidth-analyzer-pack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
