Sorry to burst your hopes there…. :) i wanted to make sure you knew that instead of what a sales guy might be pushing…
if there’s one thing that Solarwinds is very very good at .. it’s pesky sales people who won’t leave you alone … > On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <[email protected]> wrote: > > you just broke my heart > > youre completely right, the remote agent is not a polling probe as I assumed, > I just added one. That was the primary feature I was going to promote to cost > justify since it had revenue potential. > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I’m not aware of it having probe capabilities - just had that conversation > with them a month ago. > > Their only solution is to stand up additional servers in remote locations and > have them linked back to the SQL backend …. less than elegant and a licensing > nightmare > > >> On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:58 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> solar winds has remote probes. I havent done one yet, im waiting on the >> sales guy to get back on the restrictions that imposes as far as selling >> monitoring as a service to contract customers, or even other WISPs. >> >> Im hoping it functions in a similar fashion to the remote pollers in SNMPc, >> just a light piece of software you drop on a machine with access to a >> network that calls home. Unless you have a backup path for the data to get >> to the server, real time would croak out for that network. I enjoyed it >> because I could put a poller on my laptop and drop into a network and scan >> it. I wanted my laptop to get stolen so I could use it as lojac to locate >> it. >> >> There was an option to do a distributed system with snmpc, but there would >> have been no benefit to a remote poller on the same network as the >> distributed server. >> >> We had it set up on a school distrct to monitor their wireless >> infrastructure between campuses, it was sweet because we had no external >> access, but therough the remoute poller tunnel (it calls home) we had full >> snmp read/write access on their network in a secure manner >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Xymon FTW! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> NetXMS *shudder* >> >> I can just see you sitting there in an argyle sweater sipping tea out of >> your Windows95 mug - watching your NetXMS updates in the client. >> >> ;) >> >> (To be fair, Xymon is WAY older than NetXMS, but it was here decades before >> I was LOL) >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> NetXMS does that. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:35:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >> >> We are still using Xymon in parts of our network simply because it supports >> proxy collectors. >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> So that’s one area where Solarwinds falls down in my opinion … there may be >> workarounds but it’s not ideal for that kind of situation … >> >> Some NMS solutions have that capability and I hope Solarwinds will develop >> it at some point as could really use it for some areas of the network as well >> >> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> How well does it accommodate remote probes? My network isn’t a nice central >> NOC with backhaul links radiating out, and I need the ability to monitor >> things like packet loss and latency from multiple points in the network. >> Also to always have monitoring even if a part of the network gets isolated >> by multiple failures like during a storm or DDoS. >> >> <> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >> Behalf Of Josh Baird >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:48 AM >> >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >> >> We use both the Solarwinds suite and Zenoss Enterprise at $realjob (and a >> few others). >> >> $30k is cheap for large shops/enterprises. Enterprise monitoring can get >> super expensive. Zenoss Enterprise is usually $100+ per device per year. >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> LOL … ah yes, Remedy etc …. >> >> I’m one of the few that actually really likes Remedy …. but with the caveat >> that I’m not paying for the system and the team of people to actually run it >> ;) >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Yes, monitoring can get quite expensive. We have some Solarwinds at $day_job >> along with HP OpenView, but we're about to roll out a full BMC solution. >> (TrueSight, etc). We also run Remedy, so you know we are gluttons for >> punishment. >> >> We will end up paying more for monitoring this year alone than the average >> house price in California. >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2016 8:32 AM, "Paul Stewart" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Well the answer to that question is “it depends” …. I’m a big believer that >> business is critical on good monitoring (along with good staff, proper >> procedures etc etc). Putting a dollar value on Solarwinds specific to your >> business and it’s needs is difficult as everyone is different …. >> >> For some people, buying the Windows licenses and a MS SQL backend is a deal >> breaker right off the bat … for others it’s the actual application costs >> itself >> >> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL100 (up to 100 elements) - License >> with 1st-year Maintenance >> $2895 >> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL250 (up to 250 elements) - License >> with 1st-year Maintenance >> $6495 >> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL500 (up to 500 elements) - License >> with 1st-year Maintenance >> $9995 >> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SL2000 (up to 2000 elements) - >> License with 1st-year Maintenance >> $18295 >> SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor SLX (unlimited elements-Standard >> Polling Throughput) - License with 1st-year Maintenance >> $30395 >> >> List price and they always have some “special” on the go .. but that will >> typically be 10-30% levels on average. >> >> One might argue that alternative system X, perhaps open source, is “free”. >> It has no licensing …. but then you have the time factor and possibly >> support elements of who to call for help should you need it. >> >> I’m a big fan of open source and Linux solutions ….. not a fan of Windows. >> But in general, there’s different tools for different needs for different >> businesses. For our business needs, Solarwinds was a great fit and we found >> it friendly on budget - we have SLX version of Network Performance Monitor, >> additional SLX pollers, SQL Enterprise cluster backend, APM SLX monitors and >> soon will be deploying NCM SLX for configuration stuff. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> You say price isn’t that bad. Whenever I’ve looked at anything from >> Solarwinds, the price has been way out of reach – serious, serious sticker >> shock. Did I evaluate incorrectly, or am I just cheap? >> >> <> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >> Behalf Of Paul Stewart >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 4:59 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack >> >> Solarwinds is interesting software… >> >> I’m now on week #4 of “renovating” our Solarwinds deployment…. updating, >> cleaning stuff up, better automation, better alerting etc etc >> >> i’m a Linux guy … really like open source. But for network monitoring I >> have yet to find an NMS (even commercial) that I actually liked in Linux. >> it seems strange just saying that as there’s a lot of great TOOLS in Linux >> but for a full blown NMS that’s where I have my issue. >> >> Right now, we run multiple tools on Linux such as Nagios, Cacti, Observium, >> Collectd, Munin to name a few …. and then we have Solarwinds. All of these >> systems are disconnected from one another, so a conscious effort has been >> underway to “standardize’ everything under one platform - and this is >> Solarwinds. >> >> I have been a long time user of their platform - and generally like it quite >> a bit. I wish it didn’t run under Windows and I wish the performance of the >> system was better …. also wish they would integrate some of their other >> products into the “common platform” that they have acquired. >> >> Also, the price isn’t that bad (that will vary with company size, importance >> of use etc) and it’s a good system that doesn’t take a huge amount of time >> to manage/maintain once it’s operational. >> >> For their net flow product in particular, depending on number of interfaces >> and flows, make sure you size the database accordingly…. it’s very hungry >> for resources in that regard. >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> We are running a demo of this. It started out as an eyeballing a netflow >> collector and analyzer I dont have to poke all the time. we started >> scrutinizer, liked it, but found out the price scale killed any chance of >> getting it approved >> >> the pricing for this wasnt as bad, and the sales guy has some incentives, >> but the whole package was alot, and I didnt intend on even looking at the >> monitoring side because port based pricing models can quickly get out of hand >> >> as part of the initial configuration i seeded the auto discovery just to get >> through the setup. in the mean time, some other stuff came up and i i got >> busy, this was friday or thursday >> >> we have been having some intermittent issues with periodic slowness to some >> customers, the symptoms were that of a bottleneck. We had to throw some >> static routes into our OSPF network defeating dynamics to force traffic out >> one connection, thinking maybe it was a saturated lower quality upstream, no >> noteable relief. so we thought maybe we were saturating a backhaul that was >> getting to high percentage utilization, we added a redundancy and further >> split traffic up with static routes. no joy. it was at a point where the >> next step was just going site by site auditing every device...fun since the >> issue was intermittent, that means multiple times >> >> the sales guy wanted me to commit to getting this thing up and running by >> this weekend so next week we could list out what we want from it and how we >> achieve it, or if we cant do it. >> >> so yesterday i go to turn on the flows and send them to the server, the >> weird slowness is going on so its irritating me. >> >> i decided to clear out the alarms from installation and low and behold >> theres an alarm on a named interface of one of the routers i tossed in on >> discovery saying 90 percent or more usage. this is a 366mb licensed link on >> a gigabit interface, so im quite curious. I drill into the detail, the port >> is running at 100mb and saturating, i flap the port and its back to gigabit. >> >> we only monitor with powercode currently, we have snmpc but its old and shut >> off. Ive toyed with a whole bunch of other opensource and low cost systems >> but never had enough time to actually drill down and learn them, i did just >> get a book on nagios because it was cheap on ebay. >> >> powercode is worthless for any amount of invasive alerting or monitoring at >> any detail, if i want ports identified other than by port number it requires >> an individual probe. pita. its good for long term static monitoring and some >> real time tools, but its not an NMS. >> >> the point here, is the solarwinds tool is sweet, and for the 100 interface >> package with a promotion the cost is doable if one takes into account the >> time investment of the other opensource platforms, installation, learning >> curve, back end configuration, and plethora of gotchas. >> >> this particular issue could have cost us a good deal in man hours tracing >> it, refunds to customers for service impacts, and potential long term loss >> of customers. >> >> now, once i knew where the issue was, i knew exactly where to look in our >> existing data to verify it. 20/20 hindsight doesnt mean those are the >> toolsets that would have been picked out first. if this tool had been in >> production use, we would have known the first time the link negotiated down, >> and addressed it before there was any noteable service impact. >> >> >> If you are very frugal in your interface selection, this can be a good >> choice for an nms (i havent played with the atlas map other than dropping >> some stuff on it) if you dont want to dick around with a diy solution. its >> cheaper if you dont add the netflow analyzer package. Its solar winds so its >> pretty, and user friendly. the flow analyzer does route monitoring too, i >> havent looked at that, but the salesguy says he thinks we can visualize our >> ospf with the network atlas component, if thats the case the boss will >> likely drop cash. licensing is perpetual with 20% yearly for maintenance if >> you want it >> >> >> >> http://www.solarwinds.com/network-bandwidth-analyzer-pack >> <http://www.solarwinds.com/network-bandwidth-analyzer-pack> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as >> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as >> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
