Procera does shaping quite well …. something I would though suggest discussing with them in depth to better understand re specific use cases.
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine > or Saisei, etc.) use? > > I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable > queue depth and the answer seemed to be no. I was thinking they could > implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it. > > I ask for 2 reasons. The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the > bursts, since they would be smoothed out. And I suspect some of these > misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication > unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill. > The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce > much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance > until the packet drop rate hits about 45%. <> > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Paul Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance > > Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now > I’m told > > >> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Procera was/is for sale! >> >> Ouch …. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance >> >> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically >> a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, >> the temperature range is pretty narrow. >> >> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the >> temperature specs they want. >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >> Behalf Of Paul Stewart >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance >> >> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and >> features >> >> >>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple >>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box >>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature >>> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Kurt, >>>> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to >>>> do shaping at an application level. Ntop reports are showing an >>>> increasing number of things getting out of control. Windows updates %#@?! >>>> for one. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM >>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance >>>> >>>> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give >>>> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues >>>> which is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an >>>> application like only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that >>>> then that's where things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera >>>> myself for that and although I havn't tried any of the other brands you >>>> mention I am very happy with the Procera. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at >>>> Procera so far. I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over >>>> time that I was going to look into: >>>> >>>> Saisei >>>> NetEqualizer >>>> Packeteer (Bluecoat) >>>> NetEnforcer (Allot) >>>> Network Composer (Cymphonix) >>>> Exinda >>>> >>>> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject? >>>> >>>> Steve B.
