You guys are dangerous.... On Dec 5, 2016 10:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you strip back some lamp cord, plug it into the wall, drop it into > water it makes browns gas much quicker. Mix of H and O that is nice and > explosive. More fun than using DC electrolysis. But if you used a model > train transformer you probably made browns too. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 10:41 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen > > I made hydrogen with electrolysis specifically so I could have flammable > gas to play with. Yes very slow. I used the transformer from my model > trains as the power source, and I was ok with just setting it up and > walking away while it slowly filled a balloon with gas. The biggest > annoyance for me was not the speed of the process, but the fact that my > electrodes kept corroding away. They were made of balls of tin foil....If I > was cleverer back then I would have yanked a big bolt out of the garage and > used that instead. > > I sure hope I can get my kids to play with stuff like this. Even if the > only incentive is to make stuff go boom, I think a few singed eyebrows are > worth the learning. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: 12/5/2016 10:57:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen > > > no, chuck, drain cleaner and foil is something you put in pop bottles and > throw > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Quick way to make hydrogen is to put some foil in a water solution of >> sodium hydroxide (lye) drain cleaner. Cheap, easy, makes lots of gas, >> fizzes and gets hot too. >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:12 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >> >> In Jr high I needed hydrogen for a plant experiment I was doing, the >> electrolysis method was too slow so I used zinc oxide from non alkaline AA >> batteries. Is zinc still a thing in battery production? That could be a >> good secondary market for battery recyclers. I used hydrocloric acid >> because i had it, but sulfuric would have been more efficient, so the sla >> recycling could be combined with the other battery recycling to generate >> hydrogen. my method created a shit ton of toxic byproduct I had to >> disappear, but i assume that could be addressed at scale >> >> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Interesting perspective >>> I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on >>> the purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around >>> government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism >>> since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for >>> individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only >>> benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, >>>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back" >>>> >>>> - capitalism >>>> >>>> Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with >>>> "everything" and it would be "samesies" >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible >>>>> taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of >>>>> responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access >>>>> to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict >>>>> capitalism >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called >>>>>> capitalism, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, >>>>>>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you >>>>>>> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an >>>>>>> odometer >>>>>>> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge >>>>>>> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate >>>>>>> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and >>>>>>> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for >>>>>>> 250,000 miles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel >>>>>>>> cell to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the >>>>>>>> batteries. Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how >>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>> it takes to recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn >>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>> free driving. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is >>>>>>>> the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state >>>>>>>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to >>>>>>>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas >>>>>>>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY >>>>>>>> state sales taxes collected....... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.broadband-mapping.com/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la >>>>>>>> tesla... >>>>>>>> The easiest way to see north america as possible... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>>>>>>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go >>>>>>>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid >>>>>>>> electric. >>>>>>>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either >>>>>>>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons >>>>>>>> per mile. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >> 1,200 miles - >>>>>>>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-c >>>>>>>> ell-truck >>>>>>>> >> / >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >
