I had the + and - electrodes in separate glass tubes submerged in a salt
water solution. So I had a separate collection of H and O.
I copied the setup from a book of science experiments....except in the
book they were using a battery and I didn't have access to a battery
with enough oomph to make much gas before dying. I bet combining the H
and O would have made more bang, but I was a kid and mostly just
following the book.
------ Original Message ------
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 12/5/2016 12:44:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
If you strip back some lamp cord, plug it into the wall, drop it into
water it makes browns gas much quicker. Mix of H and O that is nice
and explosive. More fun than using DC electrolysis. But if you used a
model train transformer you probably made browns too.
From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 10:41 AM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
I made hydrogen with electrolysis specifically so I could have
flammable gas to play with. Yes very slow. I used the transformer
from my model trains as the power source, and I was ok with just
setting it up and walking away while it slowly filled a balloon with
gas. The biggest annoyance for me was not the speed of the process,
but the fact that my electrodes kept corroding away. They were made of
balls of tin foil....If I was cleverer back then I would have yanked a
big bolt out of the garage and used that instead.
I sure hope I can get my kids to play with stuff like this. Even if
the only incentive is to make stuff go boom, I think a few singed
eyebrows are worth the learning.
------ Original Message ------
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: 12/5/2016 10:57:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
no, chuck, drain cleaner and foil is something you put in pop bottles
and throw
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Quick way to make hydrogen is to put some foil in a water solution of
sodium hydroxide (lye) drain cleaner. Cheap, easy, makes lots of
gas, fizzes and gets hot too.
From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:12 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
In Jr high I needed hydrogen for a plant experiment I was doing, the
electrolysis method was too slow so I used zinc oxide from non
alkaline AA batteries. Is zinc still a thing in battery production?
That could be a good secondary market for battery recyclers. I used
hydrocloric acid because i had it, but sulfuric would have been more
efficient, so the sla recycling could be combined with the other
battery recycling to generate hydrogen. my method created a shit ton
of toxic byproduct I had to disappear, but i assume that could be
addressed at scale
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting perspective
I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it
on the purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my
head around government rebates on "green" tech being a component of
pure capitalism since it demands that unwilling participants kick
into the kitty for individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more
socialist, even if it only benefits those wealthy enough to buy
green tech
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
wrote:
"just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
efficientest, its always on somebody elses back"
- capitalism
Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with
"everything" and it would be "samesies"
On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<[email protected]> wrote:
capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible
taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange
of responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange
for access to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure
id call that strict capitalism
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]> wrote:
You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is
called capitalism, right?
On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<[email protected]> wrote:
just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its
regulation you want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a
single penny, subsidy for "green tech, youre required to come to
the dmv twice a yer for an odometer reading and tax form for you
to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge environmental
liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric
car, and dont get your odometer read, then you just get an
annual tax bill for 250,000 miles
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster
<[email protected]> wrote:
Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel
cell to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to
recharge the batteries. Depending on how far you can go just on
batteries and how long it takes to recharge on solar, you could
pace your travels to be darn near free driving.
The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with
now is the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they
collect it as the gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you
purchase. I know in NY state technically if you own an electric
car you are supposed to calculate your mileage driven on
electric and then enter that on your tax return to calculate
how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like
they are supposed to report all of their on line purchases that
did not have NY state sales taxes collected.......
Thank You,
Brian Webster
http://www.wirelessmapping.com/
http://www.broadband-mapping.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert
Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
tesla...
The easiest way to see north america as possible...
On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small
trucks go
> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel
hybrid electric.
> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve.
Either
> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn
anything, but
> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5
gallons per mile.
>
> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with
range of
>> 1,200 miles -
>>
http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>> /
>>
>
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