Irrespective of the need to join a church or tribe or follow a ruler or prophet or preacher, we (humans) do benefit from community.
There is a benefit for the youth to sit in council with their elders and learn by proxy. There is a benefit for the youth to know each other and be able to participate in wholesome activities. Boy scouting is huge here. In it is a peculiar feature of being a Mormon in Utah (or Idaho or Arizona), that I would guess that I go to church on a regular basis with 80% of the people in my neighborhood. I know them, they know me, and we all know the non members because we are over there trying to be friendly and helpful now and then. I know that if I need help, I can place one phone call have 100 people here in a 10 minutes and 1000 in 30 minutes if needed. There are tangible benefits to being part of a group that is close to where you live. But yes Ken, I think many Christians ignore the Old Testament. I don’t enjoy reading lots of it. Isaiah is particularly difficult for me. I love the New Testament, especially the first 5 books. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president I think we need to send Faisal into the Matrix to consult the Oracle. Then we’ll know the future. And regarding religion, I think most Christians ignore the Old Testament. I remember as a kid reading the Bible front to back, and being most impressed by the New Covenant as described in the Old Testament. It seemed clear to me, God would put his word into each person so we would know right from wrong without having to be taught or commanded by other people. Basically we were given free will, and God would no longer blame us for original sin. But apparently I misinterpreted this, as the common interpretation is a prediction of the coming Messiah, and only those people who follow that Messiah will have their sins forgiven. I still find the way I read it as a kid more compelling. We don’t need commandments or leaders or prophets, we know in our hearts what is right. It doesn’t require you to believe strange things like a remote island tribe will be denied salvation unless missionaries come and convert them. Or that everyone who follows a different religion than you is a heathen and following a different or false God. Isn’t it more believable that we are all God’s children and know Him in our hearts and minds? Do most people really not believe that Christians, Jews, Muslims, and many others actually worship the same God just following different traditions? Maybe I am influenced by having grown up at a time when there was an ecumenical movement in America, and in a church that taught respect for other religions. I’m not sure I still believe all the doctrine I was taught, but the respect for other religions part stays with me. A lot of the words and actions today from organized religion and people professing to be extremely religious seems like what we used to describe as “not very Christian” behavior. Totally off topic, but I am reminded of the quote from Aunt Em in Wizard of Oz: “Almira Gulch, just because you own half the county doesn't mean that you have the power to run the rest of us. For twenty-three years, I've been dying to tell you what I thought of you! And now... well, being a Christian woman, I can't say it!” From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 11:38 AM To: Animal Farm <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Let me start the year right.. Bite me DJT... He is still a douche bag.... There.... I feel better. On Jan 1, 2017 10:35 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: But DJT knows a lot about hacking. He knows things that other people don’t know. You’ll find out Tuesday or Wednesday. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president I have always found this to be rather interesting... Christians (at least here in the US) tend to look at the stories in the Bible and use those stories having some sort of a hidden message with the prediction of the future. Muslims, we have the same story of Joseph in the Quran, we look at that story as historical narrative of Joseph...(God's Messenger) and God's Mercy and favor bestowed on him. In regards to the Future.... there are general signs predicted, but no way to decipher the actual timeline.. I wish all of our sins were absolved just by reading the Holy Text.... There is something to be said about intentions, and actions :) Wishing Everyone the very Best for 2017 ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:49:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Here is a dose of scripture story for y’alll. (It’ll do you good. Read this and and all your 2016 sins are hereby absolved) During the seven years of abundant harvest, Joseph had the grain stored in cities (Gen. 41:48-49). During the seven lean years that followed, Joseph dispensed grain to the Egyptians and other people who were affected by the widespread famine. To create and administer all this, while surviving the political intrigue of an absolute monarchy, required exceptional talent. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 8:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Pretty sure the 7 years comes from an Old Testament story about storing 7 years of food... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president 7 years! Who was it that said “at my age I don’t even buy green bananas”? From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Mormons have been urged to have a year’s worth of food, fuel and money for many years. More recently publications have changed that to a 3 months supply. Originally it was 7 years supply. But not because of apocalyptic end-times scenario, it was to take care of ourselves during tough times. This also includes having a garden, fruit trees, home production and storage etc etc. So not officially a “prepper” doctrine but many Mormons do take it that way. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president So on 12/31/16 at midnight UTC, clocks leap forward 1 second. And on 1/20/17, they fall back 50 years? Is this why I’m recently hearing radio ads for gourmet food with a 20 year shelf life? Bomb shelter supplies? Doesn’t it make more sense to just rotate the stock of non perishable food in your pantry, and isn’t that already a common Mormon practice? This talks about a 3 month supply: https://www.lds.org/topics/emergency-preparedness Oh, and CNN had an interview the other day with one of my favorite politicians, Adam Kinzinger, who represents most of my WISP service area. He pointed out that Russia is not the Soviet Union, and we should maybe not treat them as an equal like during the cold war, and that Putin is trying to push us around like one of their former satellite states, and it’s overdue for us to push back. I like his characterization of Russia as a gas can with an economy the size of Italy. http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1612/29/cg.02.html From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president It will be an interesting year for sure. I am hopeful for a strong business friendly economic upturn. I actually would welcome the return of the cold war. Things were more peaceful back then. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Because Trump is the “first ME President”. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:14 AM To: Motorola III <[email protected]> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Will DJT be president Modern day “Nostradamus from the Balkans” forecast that "Obama will be the "last US president". https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-president-060745089.html One last thought for 2016. -- bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
