I'm wrong on this.  The 430s will work with 450i.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
[email protected]

> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> IIRC, the 430 SMs don't play with the 450i APs either.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> [email protected]
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> What you'd really want to do with the 450, is go from the 430->450M. 
>> Unfortunately, you will have to go to the vanilla 450 first because the 450M 
>> won't play with 430 SMs.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>>> On 1/30/2017 12:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> One advantage of going to 450 is that it should be an easier upgrade path 
>>> from 430, since you can run those SMs for awhile even if you don't plan on 
>>> keeping any of the 430 running permanently... but that's only really a big 
>>> deal if there's a lot of 430 SMs already deployed. 
>>> 
>>> I think a lot of it depends on how heavily loaded the APs are... if there's 
>>> a ton of customers on the sectors, then 450 might make the most sense... 
>>> but if they're relatively lightly loaded, then I'd personally just go for 
>>> ePMP.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 430 SMs will keep you from going past 450i at the AP end, starting with 
>>>> 450m.  The path up to 450i is pretty solid, obviously single pol though.  
>>>> If you are OK upgrading the higher plan subs to 450 SMs and keeping the 
>>>> lower plan subs on 430, this might be OK.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 100 FSK gear, wow, that’s like an anchor around your neck these days.  
>>>> You’d be buying customers, but unless you can charge for the network 
>>>> upgrade, they are going to be expensive customers.  With customers 
>>>> thinking 10M is their birthright, how many subs can you put on a 100 
>>>> series AP?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:38 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> All in 5GHz?
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>> 
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>> 
>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>> 
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A wisp wants me to buy them out but the gear is old.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Lots of 100 fsk gear and some 430.
>>>> 
>>>> 430 gear is getting cheap and will pretty much do the job.
>>>> 
>>>> A move to 450 can reuse the 430 sm radios.
>>>> 
>>>> But the price on the epmp1000 is not too bad.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thinking about it.  Probably will not do anything. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Would I be better off just diving into the epmp?
>>>> 
>>>> It is a bit of a noisy environment and it seems like the 430 stuff does OK.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I think you cannot go wrong with 450,  but for the money is the 1000 
>>>> better? 
>>>> 
>>>> Is buying 430s a waste of money on a 450 system?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

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