I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in 
time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a 
magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch 
already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he 
said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order 
for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't 
had any issues. They test it monthly. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
> companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.
>  
> Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
> get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
> coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
> understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
> FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
> Yes, check local ordinances.
> Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
> relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
> hours.
>  
> I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
> the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who 
> reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components 
> outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. 
>  
> Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
> the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
> for help?
>  
>  
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
>> Need to check with your local ordinances...
>>  
>> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
>> required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
>>  
>> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).
>>  
>> Regards.
>>  
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>  
>> From: "Dave" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
>> TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
>> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
>> gone. 
>> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
>> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
>> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
>> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
>> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 

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