Fronter Good Copper Mutually Exclusive From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
We have Frontier. They have no “good copper”. They have waterlogged cables, and orange garbage bags on the side of the road where pedestals used to be. If you are the last house on the road and the cable goes bad, no POTS for you. The mental image of well maintained copper cables is not reality in many places. On the other hand, in urban areas, the ILEC may be converting everything to fiber or some hybrid fiber/VDSL system, and copper all the way to the central office is not an option. Even in rural areas, they want to replace POTS with a wireless based service. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines I have mixed emotions. If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a good old fashioned POTS line on good copper? From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't had any issues. They test it monthly. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm companies want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel. Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can get, especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines Yes, check local ordinances. Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of hours. I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call for help? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines Need to check with your local ordinances... In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about gone. A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF. A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building. --
