Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of PE R <hillrunner...@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or,
mix with XGS in the same shelf.
Gino Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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From: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a
lot lower battery requirements.
I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be
fair.
On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes and no. Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
locate the splitters or switches.
On AE you battery back the switch.
On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
-or-
You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup.
Etc.
On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 or
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like Sterling I
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the
cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place
the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have to
give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. Cannot
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.
It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.
FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in
the years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active
ethernet.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
less important to me than having it just work.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are
coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he
said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors
so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all is going to
be a matter of chance.
------ Original Message ------
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with
GPON.
Jared
