Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing with FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, especially now with the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs, where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites that have 450 clusters. We're already running into this.

I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able to upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the SMs. I often dream of parallel universes where these things are possible. And then I wake up. :(

On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I can't use EPMP for microsites because it won't sync with my 450 network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization %. Epmp just isn't for me.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats
    what application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in
    2 flavors of band but thats where planning and design comes in.

    Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for
    denser and larger area of coverage. (450i/M)

    Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400
    series for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great

    outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out
    Farmers Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the
    40Mb connection to it.

    The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We
    have 2 at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for
    the Rodeo absolutely loved it and asked how

    they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part
    is that the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to
    connect. They are positioned so they look under the bleachers

    where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because
    folks in the bleachers can connect with limited guest access.
    Which we got about 25 new customers off that one event..

    LOVE IT


    On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
    I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
    justifying smaller sites...

    On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

        On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

        Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the
        RJ-45 connector.

        You can see this explained here:
        
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198
        
<http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198>

        Matt

        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
        *Mathew Howard
        *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
        *To:* af <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

        Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync
        over power (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did
        replace the old timing port with the rj45 aux port, so I'm
        not sure what needs to be done to make timing port stuff work.

        On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            the i series has a different power plant and sync
            mechanism doesnt it?

            On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule
                the 450 stinger to be discontinued at the same time.

                *From:*David Milholen

                *Sent:*Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM

                *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

                replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx
                same price point as 450 in AP world

                On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:

                    FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are
                    no longer available, at least in 5GHz. So be
                    prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the
                    nice stormy weekend. I hate my life.

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