We know the new 5GHz SoC SMs will be uncapped and about $100-ish more
than their equivalent ePMP 180/200 counterparts. So I was just saying,
if they could support both ePMP TDD and 450 on the same SM, that would
be pretty cool, and an interesting Elevate 2.0 type scenario. I mean the
ePMP 2k is great, but a 450i is moar betterer.
On 5/3/2017 3:28 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Depends what the situation is... we have several micro-POPs that are
just a tripod on a house roof - in those cases, climbing is basically
free. Even comparing 450 LiteAPs to ePMP LiteAPs, you'd be saving
about $1k per AP... if you're having to use a full 450AP where you
could use an ePMP Lite AP, you're saving over $2k.
Realistically though... yeah, just making a 450i Lite AP seems more
practical to me.
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
With the SM cost being the most expensive, why would you want a
more expensive SM only to save you <2k on the AP? With the
reality climbing isn't free, we'll say you got a cheap climber to
do it for $500. Best case scenario you're saving $1500 on the AP.
Josh Luthman
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On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Joe Falaschi <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Your second paragraph, that would be awesome.
Joe
On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for
timing with FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt
450 sales, especially now with the ePMP 2k closing the
performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to co-locate
them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at
micro-POPs, where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites
that have 450 clusters. We're already running into this.
I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz
wideband SoC-based SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the
regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able to upgrade a site from
ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the SMs. I often
dream of parallel universes where these things are possible.
And then I wake up. :(
On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I can't use EPMP for microsites because it won't sync with
my 450 network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched
network. The 450 interface is better, has a lot of features
I am using such as AP downlink utilization %. Epmp just
isn't for me.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell
startup? Thats what application I would use it for. I
know that it only comes in 2 flavors of band but thats
where planning and design comes in.
Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity
for denser and larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the
E500/E400 series for high capacity indoor solutions. The
E500 make a great
outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these
at out Farmers Market and I only used one AP and a 450
sub to bring the 40Mb connection to it.
The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi
offload. We have 2 at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds
and the vendors for the Rodeo absolutely loved it and
asked how
they get such great service at their house LOL. The
coolest part is that the APs are at opposite ends of the
arena and use mesh to connect. They are positioned so
they look under the bleachers
where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone
because folks in the bleachers can connect with limited
guest access. Which we got about 25 new customers off
that one event..
LOVE IT
On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge
problem on justifying smaller sites...
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring
change to the RJ-45 connector.
You can see this explained here:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198
<http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198>
Matt
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
*To:* af <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the
normal sync over power (it's the 450m that changed
that), but they did replace the old timing port
with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs
to be done to make timing port stuff work.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
the i series has a different power plant and
sync mechanism doesnt it?
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I wonder when this will happen. Like to
schedule the 450 stinger to be
discontinued at the same time.
*From:*David Milholen
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is
approx same price point as 450 in AP world
On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
FYI, I heard today that the regular
450 APs are no longer available, at
least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost
some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
stormy weekend. I hate my life.
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