Depends what the situation is... we have several micro-POPs that are just a tripod on a house roof - in those cases, climbing is basically free. Even comparing 450 LiteAPs to ePMP LiteAPs, you'd be saving about $1k per AP... if you're having to use a full 450AP where you could use an ePMP Lite AP, you're saving over $2k.
Realistically though... yeah, just making a 450i Lite AP seems more practical to me. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > With the SM cost being the most expensive, why would you want a more > expensive SM only to save you <2k on the AP? With the reality climbing > isn't free, we'll say you got a cheap climber to do it for $500. Best case > scenario you're saving $1500 on the AP. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Joe Falaschi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Your second paragraph, that would be awesome. >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing with >> FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, especially now >> with the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to >> co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs, >> where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites that have 450 clusters. >> We're already running into this. >> >> I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based >> SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able >> to upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the >> SMs. I often dream of parallel universes where these things are possible. >> And then I wake up. :( >> >> On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> I can't use EPMP for microsites because it won't sync with my 450 >> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface >> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization >> %. Epmp just isn't for me. >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what >>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of >>> band but thats where planning and design comes in. >>> >>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and >>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M) >>> >>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series >>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great >>> >>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers >>> Market and I only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection >>> to it. >>> >>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload. We have 2 >>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo >>> absolutely loved it and asked how >>> >>> they get such great service at their house LOL. The coolest part is >>> that the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. >>> They are positioned so they look under the bleachers >>> >>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in >>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25 >>> new customers off that one event.. >>> >>> LOVE IT >>> >>> >>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>> >>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on >>> justifying smaller sites... >>> >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP. >>>> >>>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: >>>> >>>> Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45 >>>> connector. >>>> >>>> >>>> You can see this explained here: http://community.cambiumnetwor >>>> ks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m- >>>> p/52198#U52198 >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM >>>> *To:* af <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued? >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power >>>> (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port >>>> with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make >>>> timing port stuff work. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wonder when this will happen. Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be >>>> discontinued at the same time. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* David Milholen >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued? >>>> >>>> >>>> replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as >>>> 450 in AP world >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>>> >>>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at >>>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice >>>> stormy weekend. I hate my life. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> <Mail Attachment.jpeg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> <Mail Attachment.jpeg> >>> >> >> >> >> >
