Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector

His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power

from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as

telco and CATV).

If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property

then it is NOT exempt.


Mitch


On 05/12/2017 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I think the key phrase is this one: "located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations".

I do prefer your interpretation, and I hope you're correct.

If you're not correct, then does the inside of the wall count as a space used only for utilities? So maybe if the drop cable stays inside the wall and then goes to a jack maybe that would make it all ok?

My brother works for Time Warner / Spectrum, so I asked him if he'd heard anything about this from the company. The answer was, "no but it sounds awesome." He would actually prefer to stop at a termination point outside and say, "I'm sorry, I can't touch any wiring inside your house, the law says only an electrician can do that. The service is definitely working out here though."

He might have a point. The customer would absolutely hate that, but strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a good thing.



------ Original Message ------
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read it.
Not covered:
*Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental law or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,*
*_Internet, satellite, or data services_). *
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:42 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption:
"(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations."

So your CO or NOC would be fine. Probably a phone room as well. Same with pedestals, outdoor cabinents, and I'd argue the ONT on the outside of a building.

Hanging an indoor ONT/NID in someone's garage wouldn't be "in building spaces used exclusively for such installations". Neither would an installation in an office space, etc....
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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

    I read it as our entity is not covered.  So everything we do.
    *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
    *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:07 PM
    *To:* af
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
    The way I read this,  an outdoor ONT is exempt. ..  an indoor one
    would not be?
    On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:

        NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
        90.2 Scope.
        (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of
        electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and
        communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and
        optical fiber cables and raceways for the following:
        (1) Public and private premises, including buildings,
        structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating
        buildings
        (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial
        substations
        (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to
        the supply of electricity
        (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as
        office buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and
        recreational buildings, that are not an integral part of a
        generating plant, substation, or control center
        *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:*
        (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating
        buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive
        vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles
        Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates
        that the Code does not cover installations in ships, portions
        of this Code are incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of
        Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
        (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled
        mobile surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical
        trailing cable
        (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation,
        transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used
        exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations
        used exclusively for signaling and communications purposes
        *(4) Installations of communications equipment under the
        exclusive control of communications utilities located
        outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such
        installations*
        (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric
        utility where such installations
        a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and
        associated metering, or
        b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility
        for the purpose of communications, metering, generation,
        control, transformation, transmission, energy storage, or
        distribution of electric energy, or
        c. Are located in legally established easements or
        rights-of-way, or
        d. Are located by other written agreements either designated
        by or recognized by public service commissions, utility
        commissions, or other regulatory agencies having jurisdiction
        for such installations. These written agreements shall be
        limited to installations for the purpose of communications,
        metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission,
        energy storage, or distribution of electric energy where
        legally established easements or rights-of-way cannot be
        obtained. These installations shall be limited to federal
        lands, Native American reservations through the U.S.
        Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, military
        bases, lands controlled by port authorities and state
        agencies and departments, and lands owned by railroads.
        *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may
        include those entities that are typically designated or
        recognized by governmental law or regulation by public
        service/utility commissions and that install, operate, and
        maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission,
        or distribution systems) or communications systems (such as
        telephone, CATV,*
        *_Internet, satellite, or data services_). Utilities may be
        subject to compliance with codes and standards covering their
        regulated activities as adopted under governmental law or
        regulation.*
        Additional information can be found through consultation with
        the appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory
        commissions, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and
        the Federal Communications Commission.
        (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for
        enforcing this Code may grant exception for the installation
        of conductors and equipment that are not under the exclusive
        control of the electric utilities and are used to connect the
        electric utility supply system to the service conductors of
        the premises served, provided such installations are outside
        a building or structure, or terminate inside at a readily
        accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the
        service conductors.



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