It sounds like this would be worth a WISPA look, considering worst case scenario it could price out the bulk of the membership
On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Mitch Koep <[email protected]> wrote: > Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector > > His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power > > from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as > > telco and CATV). > > If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property > > then it is NOT exempt. > > > Mitch > > > > On 05/12/2017 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I think the key phrase is this one: "located outdoors or in building > spaces used exclusively for such installations". > > I do prefer your interpretation, and I hope you're correct. > > If you're not correct, then does the inside of the wall count as a space > used only for utilities? So maybe if the drop cable stays inside the wall > and then goes to a jack maybe that would make it all ok? > > My brother works for Time Warner / Spectrum, so I asked him if he'd heard > anything about this from the company. The answer was, "no but it sounds > awesome." He would actually prefer to stop at a termination point outside > and say, "I'm sorry, I can't touch any wiring inside your house, the law > says only an electrician can do that. The service is definitely working > out here though." > > He might have a point. The customer would absolutely hate that, but > strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might work out to be a > good thing. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn > > The whole company and everything we do is not covered. That is how I read > it. > > Not covered: > *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include > those entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental > law or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, > operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or > distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,* > *Internet, satellite, or data services). * > > > > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:42 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn > > Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption: > > "(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control > of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used > exclusively for such installations." > > So your CO or NOC would be fine. Probably a phone room as well. Same > with pedestals, outdoor cabinents, and I'd argue the ONT on the outside of > a building. > > Hanging an indoor ONT/NID in someone's garage wouldn't be "in building > spaces used exclusively for such installations". Neither would an > installation in an office space, etc.... > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I read it as our entity is not covered. So everything we do. >> >> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:07 PM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn >> >> The way I read this, an outdoor ONT is exempt. .. an indoor one would >> not be? >> >> On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE >>> >>> 90.2 Scope. >>> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical >>> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications >>> conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways >>> for the following: >>> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile >>> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings >>> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations >>> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply >>> of electricity >>> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office >>> buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, >>> that are not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control >>> center >>> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:* >>> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, >>> railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile >>> homes and recreational vehicles >>> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the >>> Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are >>> incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of >>> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113. >>> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface >>> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable >>> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, >>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for >>> operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling >>> and communications purposes >>> *(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive >>> control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces >>> used exclusively for such installations* >>> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility >>> where such installations >>> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated >>> metering, or >>> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the >>> purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, >>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or >>> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or >>> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or >>> recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other >>> regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These >>> written agreements shall be limited to installations for the purpose of >>> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, >>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy where >>> legally established easements or rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These >>> installations shall be limited to federal lands, Native American >>> reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian >>> Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port authorities and state >>> agencies and departments, and lands owned by railroads. >>> *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include >>> those entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental >>> law or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, >>> operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or >>> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,* >>> *Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to >>> compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as >>> adopted under governmental law or regulation.* >>> Additional information can be found through consultation with the >>> appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the >>> Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications >>> Commission. >>> (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing >>> this Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and >>> equipment that are not under the exclusive control of the electric >>> utilities and are used to connect the electric utility supply system to the >>> service conductors of the premises served, provided such installations are >>> outside a building or structure, or terminate inside at a readily >>> accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the service conductors. >>> >>> >> > > > -- > *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > [email protected] | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > > > -- > Mitch Koep > > A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell > >
