The CDNs I've talked to want to fix it (at least where they're over-stuffing the connection), just don't know what to fix due to a lack of packet captures.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? I'd love to see all the software updates from Apple, Microsoft, etc throttled back heavily. The end user will not know the difference if their software update takes 10 minutes or 10 days. They don't even know when updates are happening anyway, they just call about their crummy speed test results and I have to be like, "yeah you're using all your bandwidth downloading something from Microsoft" ------ Original Message ------ From: "Simon Westlake" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: 6/21/2017 1:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the problem. The customer still purchased a game they want to download, or they have a 4K TV they want to watch movies on. Most people are just going to look for other options if they have to pay every time they try to use a device in their household, and even if people are willing to pay, you still have to be able to deliver enough service to them to give them the speeds they want. Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much better solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game downloads, and prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there was a better option, but I really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to this problem. It may give you more money to build up your network a bit, but it is poison to most customer's ears, and it won't change their behavior that much unless it's extremely painful for them financially. On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote: <blockquote> metered billing.. wave of the future On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein. Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 4:1 oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def streaming without complaint. As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will approach 1:1. You'll have to either start supplying 100meg, or start billing for consumption....or jack the price way up. They were looking only at streaming video trends, and didn't even consider stuff like this. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jeremy" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: 6/21/2017 1:03:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? <blockquote> Yeah, this sucks for us. Even worse, many of these games come out with dual licenses so that you can play on Windows 10 or XB1 for the same purchase. I bought a couple games and checked it out. It was amazing to be able to just continue my Halo Wars right where I left off on my laptop, but it was double the download size. This makes Forza potentially 200GB, without DLC. When you are providing customers 300-500GB per month without overages it makes heavy Xbox customers very quickly switch providers. I'm not sure if that is a blessing or a curse. For now, it has not been a gigantic churn issue for us, but the future of 4K content will likely hit us all pretty hard. My main issue with this is that purchasing a disc is not an option. I initially bought discs, only to find that even after ripping them to the hard drive, I have to walk down to the network closet to insert the disc. Digitally purchased games can just be loaded from a menu, like all of the hacked consoles. There is no option to 'upgrade' to a digital license if you have purchased a disc. Also, if you own multiple Xbox One consoles (say at home and at work), you can play any of your games on either console, at any time, just not simultaneously. Discs are now useless to me. The only way to get this digital license is to download it from the Internet (or hack the console...not yet an option). This has been a big bummer to heavy Xbox users when they get hit with massive overages, and they usually switch to Comcast. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> This will be the new normal with the next generation Xbox, when many customers start bringing them home... https://m.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_will_be_100gb_download </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- Simon Westlake Email: [email protected] Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA --------------------------- Sonar Software Inc The future of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software </blockquote>
