Great news.  I am going to see if I can do this.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies

I asked my bro about life insurance in general...he followed up with this: 

"If he owns his company or owns a some percentage of it, we can even look at 
the cost of Corporate Owned Life Insurance (COLI), or even creating a Pension 
Plan where a small proportion of each salary deferral goes into a Life 
Insurance policy  owned by the Pension Plan for his benefit.  He might 
therefore be able to make pre-tax or tax deductible contributions that get him 
the life insurance coverage he is looking for. The tax savings give him 
basically another 25%-50% discount on the cost  of annual premiums. "



I don't get anything other than maybe a round of beers out of referring people 
to him, but if you want to at least talk to someone in the business, feel free 
to reach out to him. 


Carter Crum, CFA
Senior Vice President-Wealth Management
Portfolio Manager


UBS Financial Services Inc.
750 University Avenue, Suite 250
Los Gatos, CA 95032
408-827-3260 Phone
855-287-6006 Fax
866-341-7661 Toll Free
[email protected]


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:

  Yes, the annual rate is 'supposed' to stay the same, but the fine print says 
that they can change it at any time...up to the 'maximum'....which is around 
$230,000 per year by the time the policy completes.

  On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    forever and ever, expungment and all that only applies to criminal matters, 
in regard to insurance a DUI is a component of your healthcare, the associated 
required alcohol evaluations are in your medical records as well. One DUI is 
not all that big of a deal, but two automatically classifies you as a habitual 
drinker, which some claim is bad for you

    On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

      So do DUIs hang around forever on a searchable database that the 
insurance company uses?
      Is there an expungement process?

      From: Steve Jones 
      Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:45 PM
      To: [email protected] 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies

      I have 2 DUIs in illinois 20 years ago. I cannot get a personal life 
insurance policy unless i pay like 100 to 200 bucks a month for 50k coverage. 
And wven then theres all kinds of rules on how im allowed to die, some ways 
will pay, some will after probate, and some just wont. 
      Thats individual plans... i can only ever get any real life insurance 
through my employer. And i cant imagine a generic policy that would cover 
anythimg other than a work relateded croaking being employer affordable. When i 
was 20, i was worth like 250k dead and a half mil if i got ended at work. If i 
knew then what i know now....

      On Jul 10, 2017 10:37 PM, "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote:

        Sorry, forgot the OT.

        On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:

          Anyone want to share what company they are using for life insurance, 
and what type of plan and/or rates, either on or off-list?  I have been 
shopping around and these policies are crazy.  Hard to believe anyone would 
sign these.   

          Whole life is at the whim of the market, and you can lose it all.  
Term policies even on a fixed term, say 30 years, claim that the payments 
"remain level" for the 30 -year term but then they say in the fine print that 
they can change the rate at anytime up to the maximum ($230,000 per year).  
There has to be a more solid and less wishy-washy policy out there with a 
locked in rate, right?  Are they all giving themselves the ability to make it 
whatever they want at anytime in the fine print?




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