They have been working on the fixed CPEs and set top boxes for this for YEARS.
On Sep 29, 2017 10:30 AM, "Christopher Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote: > Not to mention the PR nightmare if anyone found out they were doing that. > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > To: "af" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22:38 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with > that! > I realize AT&T the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they > have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or > even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business. > > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol. No > > more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * > > > > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant > > <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – > > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE > > > > > > > > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net > > > > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com > > > > Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270> > > > > E-Mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > > *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > > > > > Oh look... > > > > > > > > AT&T Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to > > overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service > > providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content. > > > > The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in > > 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic > > control. Filing a separate appeal from AT&T were the United States > Telecom > > Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink > Inc. > > > > --- > > > > Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the > > challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they > actually > > feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer > > have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely > > gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural > > broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and > the > > FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA. > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Which is a point I've already made. > > > > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just > > asking, great. > > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let > > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, > etc.). > > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *[email protected] > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the > permit > > you are golden. > > > > Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as > > the CLECS and ILECS. > > > > > > > > I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to > > ask for access. > > > > > > > > Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you > > rent. That is by act of congress. And that applies to every person on > > this list. > > > > > > > > They just want drawings and money. > > > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > > > > > Which is a point I've already made. > > > > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just > > asking, great. > > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let > > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, > etc.). > > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *[email protected] > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:57:41 PM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > No, I don’t have a CLEC for the non reg stuff. > > > > > > > > You always have to get permission from the property owner, it may be a > > public street but the city still has to grant an excavation or together > > permit. > > > > > > > > Many times there is a public utility easement around private property > that > > you can occupy. > > > > > > > > The FCC made all BIAS providers public utilities in spirit. While that > > particular document may no longer be in effect, you can still point to > the > > language and use it. If you get the permit you are golden. None of this > > requires a CLEC. > > > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:04 AM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > > > > > But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I > > *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows > > me to. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *[email protected] > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your > > cable there. Most easements I get are free. > > > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > > > > > Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *[email protected] > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > CLEC is no insurance. > > > > ROW-Easement is insurance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > > > > > A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty > > cheap insurance when doling out fiber. > > > > The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing > > providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly > different. > > As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If > > Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our > > Netflix actually works." > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > > *To: *[email protected] > > > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > We did at our fiber company. > > > > > > > > I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above > > 60% of people only have access to a single provider. > > > > > > > > If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to > 10M, > > and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so > > overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who > > just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... > > And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco > > monopolies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You're wrong. :-p > > > > Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something > > else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, > if > > you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can > > just apply and get the ROW access you desire. > > > > They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested peering > > and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me > the > > opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the > > customer. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > > *To: *[email protected] > > > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers > > from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. > > > > > > > > Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to > > that as well. > > > > > > > > My memory is fuzzy though. > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. > > > > > > > > Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc- > > net-neutrality-isp > > > > > > > > > > > > I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
