And what channel are you on? Rory
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Ummmm. What? Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly. On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No different than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for fade. Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel has the least amount of rain fade. Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to protect the environment. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and others. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience. So far nothing has changed my mind about that band. And I am in Utah.... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave when it is necessary or justified. I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a contender. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Let me back up. We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during torrential down pours. Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly. It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much out of it. On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: How far is your shot? What channel are you using? Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it sometimes flips. On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: Mike Hammett <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> To: [email protected] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf page 7 vs. page 15<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Chris Wright" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your client.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Chris Wright<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Network Administrator<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ------ Original Message ------<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]><https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> To: [email protected]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Is rain fade an issue? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is insignificant.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ------ Original Message ------<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Carl Peterson" <[email protected]><https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]><https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make everyone order the decent ones. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ------ Original Message ------<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Chris Wright" <[email protected]><https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> To: [email protected]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Chris Wright<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Network Administrator<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you?<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> -- <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Carl Peterson<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> PORT NETWORKS<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Baltimore, MD 21202<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> (410) 637-3707 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
