It's also worth noting that I do not have this issue with my customers, it just seems to be the vocal majority online.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Jason McKemie < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm not saying that isn't the way it is, but I was selling internet > service before Netflix was a thing - people use about 10-15x the bandwidth > now, but expect their internet bill to be the same. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Carl Peterson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I don't get it. That is what your customers are paying you to deliver to >> them. Why should you be able to charge Netflix as well. What if they say >> no. What if they say screw you your IPs can't get Netflix and block you >> entirely. >> >> >> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it would >> certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely. >> >> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. >>> Does not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours. >>> >>> *From:* Jason McKemie >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly >>> rate that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that >>> cost or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP >>> perception. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some >>>> logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive >>>> up the cost of everything. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Ron M." <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP >>>> traffic accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying >>>> THEIR sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-) >>>> >>>> (My $0.02, can I have my change back now?) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to >>>>> start charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, >>>>> dude, >>>>> seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now >>>>> we >>>>> can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized >>>>> he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag >>>>> tactics. IT'S A TRAP! >>>>> >>>>> On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for >>>>> access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. >>>>> Happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "af" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really >>>>> wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like >>>>> that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer >>>>> backlash they'd have to deal with. >>>>> >>>>> Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... >>>>> they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, >>>>> they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like >>>>> and >>>>> blame it on the lack of NN. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management". >>>>>> They defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical >>>>>> reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with >>>>>> you, just clarifying. >>>>>> >>>>>> The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded >>>>>> from all the rules. >>>>>> Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering >>>>>> for you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what >>>>>> would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about >>>>>> pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. >>>>>> J So it really did’ent do anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * >>>>>> >>>>>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant >>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – >>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 <%28314%29%20735-0270> >>>>>> >>>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM >>>>>> *To:* af <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutr >>>>>> ality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will >>>>>> do so with impunity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how >>>>>> poorly granularity scales. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put >>>>>> out a statement.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, that is concise and effective >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. >>>>>> Villarini >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business >>>>>> and individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that >>>>>> promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. >>>>>> In >>>>>> Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been >>>>>> simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal >>>>>> of >>>>>> Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We >>>>>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service >>>>>> to >>>>>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers >>>>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>>> >>>>>> President >>>>>> >>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
