It is, I'm playing devil's advocate here :) I just see the argument for charging content provider - hopefully things do not go that way on a wide scale though, as things could get messy for small ISPs.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > Infrastructure, overheard, maintenance, bandwidth. Should be covered and > distributed by the customers' monthly fees and any installation fees. If > it's not, how are you still in business and still expanding? > > > On Dec 16, 2017 4:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> There are other costs besides bandwidth. >> >> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Why shouldn't people expect the bill to be the same? The cost of >>> bandwidth has gone down about 10-15x since Netflix streaming launched. >>> >>> Jared >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> I'm not saying that isn't the way it is, but I was selling internet >>> service before Netflix was a thing - people use about 10-15x the bandwidth >>> now, but expect their internet bill to be the same. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Carl Peterson < >>> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote: >>> >>> I don't get it. That is what your customers are paying you to deliver >>> to them. Why should you be able to charge Netflix as well. What if they >>> say no. What if they say screw you your IPs can't get Netflix and block >>> you entirely. >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie < >>> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it >>> would certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected][mailto: >>> [email protected]]> wrote: >>> >>> I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. >>> Does not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jason McKemie >>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly >>> rate that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that >>> cost or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP >>> perception. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some >>> logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive >>> up the cost of everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] >>> [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+In >>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/ >>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%5D%5Bhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%5D%5Bhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%5D%5Bhttps://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> ] >>> Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] >>> [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com >>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] >>> The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] >>> [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtu >>> be.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> From: "Ron M." <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP >>> traffic accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying >>> THEIR sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-) >>> (My $0.02, can I have my change back now?) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start >>> charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude, >>> seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now we >>> can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized >>> he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag >>> tactics. IT'S A TRAP! >>> >>> On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for >>> access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. Happen. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>> To: "af" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really wanted >>> to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like that >>> anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer backlash >>> they'd have to deal with. >>> Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... >>> they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, >>> they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and >>> blame it on the lack of NN. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management". They >>> defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical reasons >>> rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with you, just >>> clarifying. >>> >>> The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from >>> all the rules. >>> Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for >>> you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules. >>> >>> It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what >>> would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about >>> pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. J >>> So it really did’ent do anything. >>> >>> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant >>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant[http://www. >>> linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5] – MTCNA, MTCRE, >>> MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE >>> >>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net[http://www.l >>> inktechs.net/] >>> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com[http://w >>> ww.towercoverage.com/] >>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>[tel:314-735-0270 >>> <(314)%20735-0270>] >>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM >>> To: af <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutr >>> ality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html[http >>> ://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutralit >>> y_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html] >>> >>> >>> >>> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do >>> so with impunity. >>> >>> >>> >>> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly >>> granularity scales. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out >>> a statement.. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, that is concise and effective >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini >>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling! >>> >>> >>> >>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality >>> >>> >>> >>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and >>> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that >>> promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In >>> Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been >>> simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal of >>> Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We >>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to >>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs. >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
