Sure, but that was the argument you used. If it's not bandwidth usage
and associated costs, why should people not expect their bill to be the
same?
Jared
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017
From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
There are other costs besides bandwidth.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017,
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:Why shouldn't
people expect the bill to be the same? The cost of bandwidth has gone
down about 10-15x since Netflix streaming launched.
Jared
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017
From: "Jason McKemie"
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
To: "[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]";
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
I'm not saying that isn't the way it is, but I was selling internet
service before Netflix was a thing - people use about 10-15x the
bandwidth now, but expect their internet bill to be the same.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Carl Peterson
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]][mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]]>
wrote:
I don't get it. That is what your customers are paying you to deliver
to them. Why should you be able to charge Netflix as well. What if
they say no. What if they say screw you your IPs can't get Netflix and
block you entirely.
On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]][mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]]>
wrote:
I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it
would certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]][mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]]>
wrote:
I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free.
Does not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off
hours.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM
To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly
rate that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb
that cost or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad
ISP perception.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some
logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really
drive up the cost of everything.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM
To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why.
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From: "Ron M." <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP
traffic accounting and charge the upstream content providers for
carrying THEIR sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-)
(My $0.02, can I have my change back now?)
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start
charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude,
seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but
now we can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then
I realized he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is
doing. FUD dbag tactics. IT'S A TRAP!
On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for
access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To.
Happen.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mathew Howard"
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
To: "af" <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really
wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like
that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer
backlash they'd have to deal with.
Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it...
they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or
else, they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they
don't like and blame it on the lack of NN.
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management".
They defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical
reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing
with you, just clarifying.
The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from
all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for
you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.
It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what
would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly
about pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.
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From: "Dennis Burgess"
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To: "[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]";
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. J
So it really did’ent do anything.
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From: Af [mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]] On
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
To: af <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html[http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html][http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html[http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html]]
Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do
so with impunity.
These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly
granularity scales.
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out
a statement..
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:
Yep, that is concise and effective
From: Af [mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that
promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers.
In Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always
been simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and
removal of Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our
pricing policy. We maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and
most reliable service to our customers, with innovative solutions that
fulfill our customers needs.
Gino A. Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
