There are other costs besides bandwidth. On Saturday, December 16, 2017, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why shouldn't people expect the bill to be the same? The cost of bandwidth > has gone down about 10-15x since Netflix streaming launched. > > Jared > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 > From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > I'm not saying that isn't the way it is, but I was selling internet > service before Netflix was a thing - people use about 10-15x the bandwidth > now, but expect their internet bill to be the same. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Carl Peterson <[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]> wrote: > > I don't get it. That is what your customers are paying you to deliver to > them. Why should you be able to charge Netflix as well. What if they say > no. What if they say screw you your IPs can't get Netflix and block you > entirely. > > On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > wrote: > > I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it would > certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected][mailto: > [email protected]]> wrote: > > I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. Does > not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours. > > > > From: Jason McKemie > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly rate > that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that cost > or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP perception. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some > logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive > up the cost of everything. > > > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+ > IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin. > com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] > Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www. > linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https:// > twitter.com/mdwestix] > The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www. > youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Ron M." <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP traffic > accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying THEIR > sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-) > (My $0.02, can I have my change back now?) > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> > wrote: > One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start > charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude, > seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now we > can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized > he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag > tactics. IT'S A TRAP! > > On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for > access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. Happen. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > To: "af" <[email protected]> > > Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really wanted > to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like that > anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer backlash > they'd have to deal with. > Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... they'll > just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, they'll > find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and blame > it on the lack of NN. > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > > You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management". They > defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical reasons > rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with you, just > clarifying. > > The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from > all the rules. > Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for > you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules. > > It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what would > happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about > pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. J > So it really did’ent do anything. > > Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant[http://www. > linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5] – MTCNA, MTCRE, > MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE > > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net[http://www. > linktechs.net/] > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com[http:// > www.towercoverage.com/] > Office: 314-735-0270[tel:314-735-0270] > E-Mail: [email protected] > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM > To: af <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes... > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_ > neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right. > html[http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/ > net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html] > > > > Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do so > with impunity. > > > > These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly > granularity scales. > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a > statement.. > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep, that is concise and effective > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > > What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling! > > > > Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality > > > > AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and > individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that > promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In > Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been > simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal of > Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We > maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to > our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs. > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > > > > > >
