I'm not saying that isn't the way it is, but I was selling internet service before Netflix was a thing - people use about 10-15x the bandwidth now, but expect their internet bill to be the same.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Carl Peterson <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't get it. That is what your customers are paying you to deliver to > them. Why should you be able to charge Netflix as well. What if they say > no. What if they say screw you your IPs can't get Netflix and block you > entirely. > > > On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband. > com> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it would > certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. >> Does not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours. >> >> *From:* Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >> >> IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly >> rate that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that >> cost or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP >> perception. >> >> On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some >>> logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive >>> up the cost of everything. >>> >>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ron M." <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP >>> traffic accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying >>> THEIR sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-) >>> >>> (My $0.02, can I have my change back now?) >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start >>>> charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude, >>>> seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now we >>>> can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized >>>> he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag >>>> tactics. IT'S A TRAP! >>>> >>>> On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>>> Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for >>>> access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. >>>> Happen. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "af" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really >>>> wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like >>>> that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer >>>> backlash they'd have to deal with. >>>> >>>> Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... >>>> they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, >>>> they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and >>>> blame it on the lack of NN. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management". >>>>> They defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical >>>>> reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with >>>>> you, just clarifying. >>>>> >>>>> The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded >>>>> from all the rules. >>>>> Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for >>>>> you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules. >>>>> >>>>> It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what >>>>> would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about >>>>> pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. >>>>> J So it really did’ent do anything. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * >>>>> >>>>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant >>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – >>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net >>>>> >>>>> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com >>>>> >>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 <%28314%29%20735-0270> >>>>> >>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM >>>>> *To:* af <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutr >>>>> ality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do >>>>> so with impunity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly >>>>> granularity scales. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put >>>>> out a statement.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yep, that is concise and effective >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. >>>>> Villarini >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business >>>>> and individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that >>>>> promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In >>>>> Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been >>>>> simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal >>>>> of >>>>> Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We >>>>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service >>>>> to >>>>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
