I'm pretty sure my network would not qualify for that, and while it would certainly help, it would not eliminate the cost entirely.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. Does > not add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours. > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment > > IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly rate > that they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that cost > or raise prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP perception. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some >> logical reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive >> up the cost of everything. >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >> >> A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Ron M." <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >> >> What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP traffic >> accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying THEIR >> sourced traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-) >> >> (My $0.02, can I have my change back now?) >> >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start >>> charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude, >>> seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now we >>> can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized >>> he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag >>> tactics. IT'S A TRAP! >>> >>> On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for >>> access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. Happen. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>> To: "af" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>> >>> >>> Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really wanted >>> to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like that >>> anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer backlash >>> they'd have to deal with. >>> >>> Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... they'll >>> just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, they'll >>> find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and blame >>> it on the lack of NN. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management". >>>> They defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical >>>> reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with >>>> you, just clarifying. >>>> >>>> The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from >>>> all the rules. >>>> Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for >>>> you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules. >>>> >>>> It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what >>>> would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about >>>> pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> >>>> NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it. J >>>> So it really did’ent do anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * >>>> >>>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – >>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net >>>> >>>> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com >>>> >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 <%28314%29%20735-0270> >>>> >>>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM >>>> *To:* af <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutr >>>> ality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do >>>> so with impunity. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly >>>> granularity scales. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out >>>> a statement.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, that is concise and effective >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. >>>> Villarini >>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and >>>> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that >>>> promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In >>>> Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been >>>> simple, unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal of >>>> Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We >>>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to >>>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>> >>>> President >>>> >>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
