Very true. It would make no sense at all with private funding. ROI in 25+ years, and nobody would invest in that when better returns are available. We're getting a grant from NY State.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <>
Sent: 2/11/2018 11:59:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

If you're looking to do a few houses per mile, it's very likely that fiber doesn't make sense at all.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett <> wrote:
I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.

I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to PON some day if I want to.

We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <>
Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

A few reasons...

Port cost is still fairly high.

More splicing.

More fiber required.

Larger chassis required.

More power required.

More battery backup required.

Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON capacity in most places.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <> wrote:
So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?

From:Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with Zhone is different.


On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <> wrote:
I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember which. ;-)

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From: "Jason McKemie" <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

I found these guys, but have never heard of them: <>

It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: <>


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