Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTONT Housing (Clam Shell)  $           29.00  
      ONT  $         215.00  
      Unicam  $           15.00  
      Cyber Power  $           81.00  
      Cyber Install  $         110.00  
      House Sub Total  $         450.00  
      OLT $11K/8/32  $           42.97  
      OIM $845/32  $           38.27  
      Splitter $900/32  $           39.43  
      DLC per Sub Subtotal  $         120.67  
      Electronics/Sub Total Expense  $         570.67  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser and a 1x32 
splitter cost me about $1000.

So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per user. 
 Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for electronics.  As I 
increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But, we are only talking a 
different in a few months on the ROI.  Remember we are debating fiber.  I have 
ONT's out there over 72 months old.  I'm sure Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 
years older than that.  I don't plan on any type of major upgrade for several 

But I must stress there is no right answer.  AE vs GPON.  You need to make sure 
you fully understand both options before making a decision.  Not to mention, 
you can run both.  We are setup to do AE,  We currently have 2 customers on the 
AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.

Best regards,

Myakka Technologies, Inc.


Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:

     When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe 
electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor 

      When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer.  
      For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself 
to do PON.  

      From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
      Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
      To: Chuck McCown
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


      PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

      Best regards,

      Myakka Technologies, Inc.


      Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:

           Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?

            From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
            Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
            To: Adam Moffett
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


            There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The 
            when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
            exceed 20Km."

            The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long 
stretches of roads between neighborhoods.

            We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that 
into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using a 144 
count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles depending 
on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons 
10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.  

            We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max 
usage per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.

            Best regards,

            Myakka Technologies, Inc.


            Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:

                 Maybe I need to review the math.

                  I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I 
didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every 
fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.

                  ------ Original Message ------
                  From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <>
                  To: "Adam Moffett" <>
                  Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
                  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


                        How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles 
on a 1x32 split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?

                        Best regards,

                        Myakka Technologies, Inc.


                        Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:

                             I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per 
mile).  As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that 
if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 
times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or 
so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

                              Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The 
numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.

                              I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, 
I can still switch to PON some day if I want to.

                              We would never max out the PON port, but looking 
back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever 
say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" 
have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.


                              ------ Original Message ------
                              From: "Josh Reynolds" <>
                              Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
                              Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                                 A few reasons...

                                Port cost is still fairly high.

                                More splicing.

                                More fiber required.

                                Larger chassis required.

                                More power required.

                                More battery backup required.

                                Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 
generations back of PON capacity in most places.

                                On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
<> wrote:

                                 So, why do PON and not active in these super 
cheap optics days?

                                From: Chuck Hogg
                                Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                                We are walking away from them and Alphion...I 
think Mark's product with Zhone is different.


                                On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett 
<> wrote:

                                 I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from 
DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far 
away form. I don't remember which.  ;-)

                                Mike Hammett
                                Intelligent Computing Solutions

                                Midwest Internet Exchange

                                The Brothers WISP

                                From: "Jason McKemie" 
                                Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
                                Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

                                In light of finding out that Calix's offering 
is not going to be anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other 

                                I found these guys, but have never heard of 

                                It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've 
at least heard of them:


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