May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..



From: Af [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the page a bit reflecting that something is going to 


All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  


From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 


Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.


I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this....  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 




On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <> wrote:



  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 




  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <> wrote:

    Red Iguana


    We could do it kinda like it started.  


    Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  


    Not sure what Wispa would think about that...


    From: Cameron Crum 

    Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM


    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


    I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 



    On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <> wrote:

      and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

      Mike Hammett
      Intelligent Computing Solutions

      Midwest Internet Exchange

      The Brothers WISP


      From: "Jay Weekley" <>
      Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

      I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
      shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

      Chuck McCown wrote:
      > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
      > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
      > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
      > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
      > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
      > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
      > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
      > *From:* TJ Trout
      > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
      > *To:*
      > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
      > Chuck,
      > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
      > unpalatable parts of planning?
      > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
      > wispa I haven't attended since...
      > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
      > wispamerica in 20 days?
      > TJ
      > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
      > <> wrote:
      >     >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
      >     Thus the need for a fuse !
      >     :)
      >     Faisal Imtiaz
      >     Snappy Internet & Telecom
      >     Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
      >     Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
      >     Email:
      >         *From: *
      >         *To: *
      >         *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
      >         *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
      >         My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
      >         *From:* Adam Moffett
      >         *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
      >         *To:*
      >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

      >         That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
      >         enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
      >         protectors and power systems and network equipment.
      >         Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
      >         ------ Original Message ------
      >         From: "Mathew Howard" <>
      >         To: "af" <>
      >         Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
      >         Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
      >             Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
      >             the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
      >             afmug folder.
      >             The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
      >             more than once because my other email address is on
      >             Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
      >             unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
      >             that I'm interested in.
      >             On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
      >             <> wrote:
      >                 Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
      >                 the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
      >                 ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
      >                 for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
      >                 for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
      >                 pretty good rating with them.
      >                 The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
      >                 swap fest.
      >                 BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
      >                 on Friday morning.
      >                 I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
      >                 compared to before.
      >                 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
      >                 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
      >                 To:
      >                 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
      >                 I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise...
      >                 #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ...   Come on, Chuck's products are
      >                 about the most
      >                 worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's
      >                 a fricken godsend!!!
      >                 BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the
      >                 little racks with
      >                 them..   Oh well, amazon...
      >                 Robert
      >                 On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, wrote:
      >                     I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp
      >                     list about once a year.
      >                     You do realize that this list is my list, right?
      >                     So essentially every time I make a posting here I
      >                     am spamming you, right?
      >                     I used to do it every Friday right here on this 
      >                     But I think it is cleaner and better quality to
      >                     use MailChimp.
      >                     Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That
      >                     will prevent it from ever happening again.
      >                     -----Original Message----- From:
      >                     Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
      >                     To:
      >                     Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
      >                     I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with
      >                     that?
      >                     I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his
      >                     email lists nor done any business with him, or
      >                     even indicate I would like to. I find it in
      >                     extremely poor taste to mine the Af list for spam
      >                     targets.
      >                     Jared

      >         Virus-free. 
      > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>






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