The pendulum swings. I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each cycle...
I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that was on
the ragged edge of three strikes. He had backslid a bit and was worried about
getting nailed during a piss test. I will always remember one thing he he said
to me:
“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than if I fail
this piss test”.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the
related poisioning/overdose deaths.
If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I
think we'd be far better off.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about.
You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to get
supplies and mental health care.
This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it not
a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug
addiction (mental health care + kratom).
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts
only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but the
drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:
If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
product that is... Ahem tax free.
It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
regulating it.
It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms
you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
This is all so stupid.
... But hey, D.A.R.E.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I like pissing off cartels
I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of
a child, or risking life/limb of another person.
Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA
to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business is
that?
Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or
to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk
to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
theres no shortage of criminals
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
enforcement get money?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine
i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking
to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic change only
happens once so its like chasing a dragon
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's Fake News.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com>
wrote:
I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even
once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry. So it's not a 'recreational'
drug, and why
it's so addictive.
On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for
me. I like
> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom
and they are
>> dissolved in hot water...
>> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>
>> I was prescribed Xanax once. Made me sleepy.
>> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller,
Heineken, Henry
>> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>
>> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is
horribly
>> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>> I guess it is a version of speed. But no direct
experience with that
>> either. Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>
>> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag
screws into her
>> vertebrae).
>> But she didn't get hooked. Claimed it worked really
well.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>
>> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't
sound like fun
>> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows. Granted,
all I know about
>> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>
>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of
xanax, 16
>>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of
bath salts.
>>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as
delivery of meth
>>> charges.
>>> fucking bath salts
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave
<dmilho...@wletc.com
>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff
mentioned that Every
>>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug
or paraphernalia
>>> in it.
>>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the
most humble become
>>> demented.
>>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were
just not meant
>>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe
there is some
>>> truth to that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions.
Since I deal with
>>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug
focused law
>>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of
them tells me
>>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type
problems they put at
>>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of
perverts that should
>>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a similar situation. Rather my wife
did. We took the
>>>> kids in (her sister�s kids).
>>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused,
drugs etc.
>>>> One of the parents got them back for a while,
then the other.
>>>> Those kids still think of my wife as
�mom�. They are all
>>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other
has not turned
>>>> out so well.
>>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr
else. So like 7
>>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews
because, well
>>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is
aweful. We
>>>> fostered them for a year and half while her
brother and baby
>>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The
18 month old
>>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a
sleeping rig
>>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked
together and the toes
>>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs
in and out til
>>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke
his hip, but it
>>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old
you couldbt
>>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was
cute so they
>>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and
that was the
>>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old
lady,
>>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2
bedroom.
>>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a
house for room,
>>>> and a week later they gave them back to the
mom. The old
>>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed
to.
>>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies
step moms)
>>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets
arrested for selling
>>>> fucking meth
>>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral,
we had to be
>>>> late dealing with the child services people.
Get all that
>>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now
find out we
>>>> also get the joy of headlice.
>>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do
this shit to
>>>> kids, theyre not just a thing you have while
doing other
>>>> things.
>>>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this
with anyone
>>>> who is remotely involved, i figure none of you
are.
>>>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your
kids back and sell
>>>> meth. And theyre already asking if they sign
their righys if
>>>> they can see the kids still.
>>>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem
involve the ability
>>>> to not want to feed these people lead
>>>>
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