Don't get me started on USF.. Chuck will take offense :) I agree colloguially it is a 'Tax'... however if you were speaking from a legal perspective, it is not (Why ? it is against Federal & State law for any entity other then a Gov entity to Collect tax, you and I can be their agents to Collect tax on their behalf, however if we collect tax and pocket it, it is considered to be a very big crime). Fees and Contributions on the other hand .... don't have such penalties :)
>>Calling it "Mandatory Contribution" is just marketing semantics, and >>ultimately the customer pays for that whether or not we choose to make it a >>separate line item. Proper way to say it would be .. Ultimately, WE the service providers pay for this.. .whether we choose to collect it or not on a separate line item. :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:24:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > We're digressing quite a bit here, but at the end of the day the government > skims money from one part of the economy and injects it into another part of > the economy and colloquially we call that a "Tax". Let politicians spin it > however they want. > Calling it "Mandatory Contribution" is just marketing semantics, and > ultimately > the customer pays for that whether or not we choose to make it a separate line > item. > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 4/24/2018 1:02:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >> Not sure where you are getting that from ........ >> Words are important, because they mean something..... >> USF is defined as a 'Mandatory Contribution' (obligation on >> Telco/Carriers/ISP's) to the USAC Fund, mandated/ managed by the FCC. >> It is not defined as a TAX. >> https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms >> However the Provider is Allowed to "RECOVER" their 'USF Contribution' from >> their >> Customers, (IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO ! ) (there is a set of loose rules on how >> this is accomplished... sadly these are not hard an fast rules either ! ). >> Regards >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:02:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >>> That is rich. >>> So a telecom is not allowed to charge for USF, but they can charge a USF >>> recovery fee. >>> I fail to see the difference here. >>> Sort of like Apple's "Overseas profits" of ~~ $225 billion. It was not >>> actually >>> "overseas", it was actually held here in the USA, but was merely labeled as >>> "overseas". >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> On 4/24/2018 8:47 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>> No ! >>>> Before we discuss this... >>>> You need to specify what perspective you are asking the question from ? >>>> Are you the Buyer ? or are you the Seller ? >>>> Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a deminius >>>> entity ? >>>> No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF. >>>> Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory >>>> Contribution" is >>>> the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers. >>>> Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole now >>>> gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there. >>>> :) >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] USF >>>>> Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for USF. >>>>> But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies? >>>>> But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should not >>>>> be >>>>> charged. >>>>> Do I have this correct?
