Well, that explains everything.

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

3ft... Jirous on one side and one of the WB Optic on the other actually!

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 5:17 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Wow, what size dishes?

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 3:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

  Chuck we just did a 13 mile link using AF5XHD, getting about 350mbps in both 
directions using 60mhz and 50/50 ratio. 

  On Jun 6, 2018 2:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yeah, if you go with 3' dishes you might be getting close to $1500 in cost, 
but that'll easily cover it with 2 footers.

    The only parts involved are going to be the dishes and the radios, so it's 
pretty simple to price... well, I suppose mounts and surge suppressors too, but 
I assume you know where to get those...


    On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

      Thanks, that is what I am looking for.  Actually not sure yet what up 
down ratio the customer will be buying yet.  

      If I tell the owners $1500 for parts then I should be good to go?

      From: Mathew Howard 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:47 AM
      To: af 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

      That's because airfibers use a fixed up/down ratio (75/25, in this case). 
If you needed 50/50, this link would only be get you somewhere around 140Mbps 
each way.

      Signal is just a little too low to get 8X (256qam) on this case, but I 
probably could if I changed them to the new HD version, since they can get a 
little higher power at any given modulation, and they can achieve higher 
modulations at lower signal levels... it might even be able to do 1024qam (it 
probably could with 3' dishes anyway). going to a 50mhz channel would also add 
some 20% capacity (50mhz is the max for the standard af-5x, but the hd can go 
up to 100mhz if you have lots of spectrum to burn).

      An entire link with 2' dishes should come to router around $1000. I 
haven't priced the 3' dishes recently, but they are quite a bit pricier.


      On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:21 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        Is the 65 Mbps a limitation of the link or system settings or ??

        From: Mathew Howard 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:16 AM
        To: af 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

        Here's an example of a 25km AF-5x link using 2' dishes. I'd probably 
use AF-5xHD radios these days, and I'd use the airFiber dishes (the only 
difference between them and the RocketDish LW is that they're slant vs H/V).







        On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

          Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW
          or
          AF5X + AF-5G34-S45

          ?

          Or some other brand.  Hauling out PTP to a customer.  Like to keep 
the bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.  



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