--On Friday, July 25, 2008 11:48:36 AM -0400 Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The discussion on gaming the system is a rat-hole.

Maybe, but I think it is important to have a better (less drastic) remedy to a bad decision made by a chair than to recall the chair.


We are not a large
enough community for this to have significant meaning to us.  If we end
up with 100 individuals subscribed to this list I will be shocked.

Current subscribership includes mail-archive.com, gmane, and 67 individuals.

I am a bit concerned about systems such as Nabble.  We do not want to
permit the Nabble service to be used to send a vote and individuals who
read via Nabble will not have a vote.  I believe it is reasonable to
require a personal subscription to the list if one wants to be considered
a voting eligible participant.

I don't think nabble or archive services should get a vote. I also don't think people who are subscribed twice should get two votes. But there are plenty of people who read via archive services or local exploders without ever being actually subscribed, and I'm not convinced we should disenfranchise them.

Particularly, I believe voting should be a right of active participants, not subscribed email addresses. Put another way, the subscription list is configurating of the mailing list software, used to control how and where the messages are routed. It may not be the best approach to overload it to have other meaning which would require it have contents different from what is required for its primary purpose.

One possible compromise would be to use the union of the subscription list on a given date and the list of people who have posted in some time period prior to that date.


If we can't send an e-mail to you based upon the registered address on
the specified date, then you can't vote.

No, absolutely not. That is equivalent to saying "if your mail system happens to be broken on the specified date, then you can't vote". If you're going to use the subscription list as part or all of the list of voters, then use it as-is, and let the mailing list software take care of removing stale entries.

-- Jeff

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