I hear at least some extremes in this discussion.  

I hear that "we can't" ... "we must" 

Perhaps we can evaluate this:  "... or are desperately-needed functionality 
that can't afford to be
blocked on standardization. "

What is the desperately needed functionality, and for each such item what is 
the desperate need?

This begs questions:  

If OpenAFS could deprioritize some number of functionality related tasks, would 
resources devoted to those tasks really be reallocated to standardization?  

Can OpenAFS currently identify people who would gladly work on standardization 
but are currently blocked on functionality tasks?

IOW, is it possible to use Ross' candid observation to start a more pragmatic 
conversation?  

I admit I haven't read all the posts in detail, and may have missed a more fact 
based discussion and if so I apologize.  And of course I'm not aware of what 
everyone is doing, so am delightfully free from subtext.

What do we need to know, factually?  What resources can OpenAFS count on?  
Does/Can OpenAFS agree on priorities?  Who's working on what right now?  If 
tasks were reprioritized,  who would actually volunteer to work on standards 
tasks?  Is it possible to list/name tasks/priorities/resources?

To summarize ... It seems from my naive take on this conversation that it is 
worth some detailed analysis and that the current (explicitly?) agreed 
priorities are not working.

Kim
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On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Russ Allbery <[email protected]> wrote:

> or are desperately-needed functionality that can't afford to be
> blocked on standardization.
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