On 06/22/18 20:54, Steve Richfield via AGI wrote:
> Logan,
>
> Most of the things you cited are NOT in the Koran, but rather are
> culture that has crept in over past millennia, akin to Western
> prohibition against polygamy, even in circumstances that makes obvious
> sense, e.g. for menopausal women, despite this practice being mentioned
> in the Old Testament.
>
> The Koran respects Moses as a prophet and the Old Testament, which says
> (depending on translation) that ~"Men who lie with men are an
> abomination to God and are to be killed", so blame the Jews for that
> one, rather than the Muslims.
>
> While the Koran may not be responsible for the particular craziness you
> mentioned, there definitely IS a generous dose of dysfunctionality
> therein, as otherwise, there would only be one Islam, they wouldn't be
> targeting innocents, etc.
>
However you can't take the Quran in isolation from the hadiths,
in fact if a muslim limits themself only to the teachings of the Quran
that is a jailable offense in Caliphate states.
Anyways did you read my story? it should only take ~15 minutes.
> Steve
>
> On 5:06PM, Fri, Jun 22, 2018 Logan Streondj via AGI
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>
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> On 06/22/18 19:02, Steve Richfield via AGI wrote:
>> Logan,
>> What do I use to open a .tex file?
>
> any text file editor should do it.
>
>
>> It is (nearly) impossible to optimize anything without criteria
>> and knowledge of free independent variables. This is best and most
>> easily done with knowledge of good exemplars. The only reason
>> present stories sound interesting is that readers are NOT familiar
>> with such exemplars, so they read stories against our present
>> backdrop. Starwars has shifted that backdrop, but not in any
>> real-world sort of way.
>
>
>
>
>> To illustrate, Islam spectacularly succeeds in voluntarily keeping>
>> families together and raising children with their biological
>> parents,
> Ahem, I would argue that your use of the world "voluntarily" is
> inappropriate in the context of modern Islam.
>
> In fact insubordination is routinely rewarded with death.
> For instance if a daughter dates an unapproved person,
> then they may be "honour killed" by her father and brothers,
> to maintain the "family honour" (patriarchy).
>
> Also leaving Islam carries the death penalty,
> as does being homosexual -- again often kangaroo court does them in.
> Even adopting a different unapproved variety of Islam, can carry
> severe penalties including death. As exemplified by Sunni's killing
> Shiites for practicing Islam in a different way.
>
>> but fails to raise smart children, or regulate population in an
>> acceptable way, so there is a LOT to learn and understand - and add
>> to correct its shortcomings. As you pile on more corrections, you
>> get to a point of starting over with a clean slate. That is where I
>> am now.
>> Steve
>
>
> I think you would be best off using public domain texts as training
> data. Ideally would translate all world language texts into one
> language, then could get a general overview.
>
>
>> On 2:03PM, Fri, Jun 22, 2018 Logan Streondj via AGI
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>> oh i thought you meant a reference culture of independent AGI
>> civilization.
>> i have a story about some robots on Venus for instance. see
>> attached.
>
>
>> On June 22, 2018 4:00:41 PM EDT, Steve Richfield via AGI
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>> Logan,
>> We probably should, unless someone objects, take this off-line,
>> because it has little/nothing to do with computers, though it has
>> everything to do with what to expect from a non-destructive AGI -
>> which appears to be quite achievable without computer assistance.
>> I went to send you an off-forum email, but apparently, the AGI
>> forum now filters out our personal email addresses.
>> So, you or anyone else who is interested should email me directly
>> at: mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
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>> /Steve Richfield/ ==================
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Logan Streondj via AGI
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>> me me me *raises hand*
>
>
>> On June 13, 2018 8:14:07 PM EDT, Steve Richfield via AGI
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>> Until now, ALL sci fi, ALL philosophy, etc., has been "relative" -
>> as seen from another culture. I have been working on describing a
>> "reference" culture, to be used to understand and improve all past,
>> present, and future real world cultures, guide legislation to at
>> least not make optimal behavior illegal, etc.
>> A description of such a thing would look a LOT like science
>> fiction, so I am looking for a sci fi writer who is interested in
>> my project to produce a document that is at once a good story AND
>> describes a rough draft reference culture.
>> This stuff throws ordinary people into complete brain short. I
>> presented a small part of this at a Toastmasters meeting several
>> weeks ago - and as a result they are STILL arguing about whether
>> and how to limit subject matter. I video recorded this
>> presentation.
>> The one previous poor attempt at describing a reference culture was
>> the Koran, but it missed even more than it got right.
>> Anyway, if you are interested or know anyone else who might be
>> interested, please contact me.
>> Thanks.
>> Steve
>
>
>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
>> brevity.
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>> brevity.
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