Matt, As I have mentioned in the past, I am NOT interrested in an artificial uploading into an artificial reality, but rather am interested in a real downloading into a real artificial body. I see NO path to this other than cell-by-cell, synapse-by-synapse reverse engineering.
Steve Richfield On 7:40AM, Sun, Jan 27, 2019 Matt Mahoney <[email protected] wrote: > There are people who treat transhumanism as a religion or cult. They > believe the singularity is coming in time for them to become immortal. I > think they are drawn to it for reason similar to other cults. They are > accepted into a group of like minded people and it answers their evolved > fear of dying that is found in all animals. > > I am skeptical that a robot that looks and acts like me is me, even if I > am unaware of any changes to my memories. But I will preserve as much > information about myself as I can, just in case they want to build one 100 > years from now when we have the technology. > > At least transhumanism is based on science and not purely on faith. But > science says that consciousness, qualia, free will, and identity are > illusions. I understand why our brains would evolve that way, but it is > hard to accept. So I will take a philosophical interest but go on behaving > as if they were real. It's good for my reproductive fitness. > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:44 AM Steve Richfield <[email protected] > wrote: > >> MP, >> >> I have posted about this on several occasions. It seems obvious that >> present unscientific approaches will NEVER produce an AGI. Some argue with >> this, but there is broad agreement that AGI isn't coming in the 21st >> century. I have floated a method and machine to reverse engineer brains, >> but I have been unable to find ANYONE willing to invest ANY resources in >> it. It truly takes religious faith to believe in something without any >> science to back that belief up. >> >> Then there is the question: What good is AGI? Mahoney's claim of >> astronomical value might be correct, but this could only be realized by >> DESTROYING human society. AGI is MUCH like cold fusion, as both would >> enable amateur experimenters to craft world-destroying devices. >> >> You seem to see value in jumping to the head of this religious rabble? I >> don't yet see the value, but like Christianity, there might be hidden >> wealth, e.g... >> >> "Have a sip of my holy water >> while I fertilize your daughter" Insane Clown Posse >> >> Some religions have "sin eaters" who for a substantial price will take on >> the blame for all of your past deeds. >> >> Maybe we could sell positions in a future up/downloading operation? Of >> course we will NEVER fail, simply because we will never give up. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Steve Richfield >> On 12:55AM, Sun, Jan 27, 2019 MP via AGI <[email protected] wrote: >> >>> So, I'm an atheist. But AI to me is the closest we have to god. >>> >>> Who wants in on creating a new cult of AI? >>> >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >>> >>> >>> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2bfbfce3f854b951-Mda95c3e46b1009b9cfe6b4e0> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2bfbfce3f854b951-M229b3b85f7db8054105c4bce Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
