I'm very sorry to have pointed you to a page in the middle of a long tretise. I think you managed to completely misunderstand what he is saying.
Sometimes, communication requires glossing over important facts. When talking about complex topics, it is customary to not repeat things that the audience is assumed to know, and instead to drive towards what they don't. Perhaps, in this case, it would have been better to ead the website from the beginning. --linas On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:55 AM justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > 5 seconds on that page tells you that the author does not understand much > ... > > <quote> > nationalism led to World War I; > capitalism caused the world-wide Great Depression;1 > fascism was to blame for World War II; > communism killed tens of millions with engineered famines and the mass > murder of supposed dissidents. > </quote> > > What led to all of those things was radicalization and spiritual > degeneration caused by artificial scarcity induced by our monetary system. > "capitalism", "communism", "nationalism" are meaningless terms ... the only > thing we "got" is "debtism" and debtism only knows one outcome: poverty, > anxiety, radicalization, low quality of consciousness, chaos, violence, > terrorism and war. > > There are only two direction/forces ... its abundance, love, cooperation > vs. scarcity, fear and competition ... and our contemporary society is > again falling apart because we still allow our monetary system to make us > all insane, fearful, crazy and irrational. Billions of people run around > with an ever decreasing quality of consciousness and the alleged leaders > and establishment reflect these perfectly ... just like Hitler was a > reflection of this process of systemic scarcity primitivizing the masses. > > The author writes so much about 1000 things will ignoring the only > relevant thing: The two opposing forces that decide whether a society > evolves or degenerates ... scarcity vs. abundance. For ~5000 years now our > monetary system has held us back and caused cyclical collapses of large > parts of our society ... and today we are facing a total collapse of our > entire society combined with the total collapse of our biosphere ... and > it's all about our monetary system ... and the author does not mention it > at all. That tells you that he/she is dealing with symptoms and does not > really understand the underlying process. > Am 29/01/2019 um 06:20 schrieb Linas Vepstas: > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:30 AM justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ram Dass >> > > Ram Dass was a clever man. Some more Slavs: > -- Kardashev scale > -- Stanisław Lem wrote a book on the singularity, which I eagerly poured > over, waiting for a great revelation. I think I finally found a few > thrilling sentences. Unfortunately, he spent most of the 250 pages trying > to explain what a robot was to peasants who had never seen anything more > mechanized than a plow and a butter churn. > > I think both Kardashev and Lem talk about the universe waking up and > becoming self-conscious. I'm thinking both von Neumann and Feynman also > said as much, on those rare occasions when they talked about AGI. > > Then there is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and the Omega Point ... which is > just the AGI singularity, explained differently. > > Lord knows how many others have taken this and elaborated it to great > detail. Its popular. > > One common simplified version is "all is one, we are all Gods(err, "the > same God"), God is inside of us, we are all just shards of God", and of > course "we are one great quantum superposition which is God". > > The most wonderfully-wonderful exploration of the "we are all God" (and > what is terribly wrong with that idea) that I've read is > https://meaningness.com Caution - its maybe a thousand pages long so if > you dive in from the beginning, you'll get swamped. > > Here is a page from the middle (a good place to start!), it is absolutely > fun to read: https://meaningness.com/systems-crisis-breakdown > > -- Linas > > -- > cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2bfbfce3f854b951-Ma697f98f394d24edb9655677> > > -- cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2bfbfce3f854b951-M19573ef057f27f6985d6eb9d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
