Killswitch ________________________________ From: Matt Mahoney <mattmahone...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:41 To: AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> Subject: Re: [agi] How AI will kill us
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 11:02 AM John Rose <johnr...@polyplexic.com<mailto:johnr...@polyplexic.com>> wrote: On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Quan Tesla wrote: Incredible. We won't believe hard science, but we'll believe almost everything else. This is "The Truman Show" all over again. Orch-OR is macro level human brain centric consciousness theory though it may apply to animals, not sure... No one here is disbelieving hard science. Orch-OR is the ridiculous theory about quantum consciousness by Penrose and Hamerhoff. Penrose is convinced that consciousness is not computable. So like many scientists, they looks for evidence that supports their theories instead of evidence that refutes them. They found that protein molecules in microtubules in neurons exist in a superposition of states (like all molecules do). Consciousness solved! It would help if they bothered to define consciousness. Unfortunately we use the same word to mean 3 different things. 1. Medical consciousness. The mental state of being awake and able to form memories. The opposite of unconsciousness. 2. Ethical consciousness. The property of higher animals that makes it unethical to inflict pain or to harm or kill them. 3. Phenomenal consciousness. The undefinable property that makes humans different from zombies, where a zombie is exactly like a human by any behavioral test. The thing that various religions claim goes to heaven when you die. The little person in your head. Awareness of your own awareness. What thinking feels like. So without defining what they mean by consciousness, they make the obvious conclusion. Consciousness is mysterious. Quantum mechanics is mysterious. Therefore consciousness is quantum. Artificial General Intelligence List<https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> / AGI / see discussions<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T206dd0e37a9e7407-M20cf578b5ad597d226a8eef3> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T206dd0e37a9e7407-M634d96bcdea59ab052980232 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
