On Wednesday, November 15, 2023, at 3:08 PM, ivan.moony wrote:
> As a thought experiment, consider yourself being alone on some planet since 
> your first day alive (assuming you are given all resources needed to keep you 
> alive). What would you do without other livings?  That situation is 
> incomprehensive to me other than eating all day long and be bored to death.

You and I are both humans with innate social drives. So this is not a valid 
thought experiment for determining what a non-human intelligence, which might 
not have such drives, would feel. A non-human intelligence might not even be 
capable of boredom.

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023, at 3:08 PM, ivan.moony wrote:
> Shouldn't a goal of true AI be some intersection of those strivings, very 
> related to what humans want in general?

I thought your original question was about what is *possible*, not what we 
*should* do. For clarity's sake, let's try not to mix up the two. 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023, at 3:08 PM, ivan.moony wrote:
> Wouldn't then AI need to learn from us, a valuable resources of learned goals 
> weighted by 5.4 billions years of evolution?

The notion that humans represent some kind of pinnacle in an evolutionary 
process is a common error, but it is an error. Every species that is present on 
earth and successfully maintaining its genetic line is just as "evolved" as we 
are. That includes relatively mindless eating machines like bacteria. Evolution 
optimizes for gene survival, ONLY. So we are not "better" or "more advanced" by 
evolutionary standards, compared with other life forms that are doing just as 
good a job of surviving. Our cooperative social nature and our many 
complexities are ONE successful survival strategy among many, as evidenced by 
the fact that a lot of simpler organisms are still here.

I am not arguing that there are no reasons for preferring human values - but 
you'll have to look somewhere besides evolution to find those reasons.

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