Back to your original question of whether rocks have qualia, what does that mean? How would you know? What would be the difference if it did or did not?
If you use my definition of measuring consciousness in bits of information in a storage device, then zinc sulfide doped with copper (used in glow in the dark paint) will store photons of blue light by raising an electron to a higher energy state and storing in a copper atom. After several minutes it will release the electron and emit a 550 nm yellow green photon. Likewise, light will convert silver iodide to tiny grains of silver that appear black in photographic film for more permanent storage. LLMs are trained on 20 TB of text, which is 20,000 times as much conscious experience as a human. If that's the definition you want to use. You tell me. -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] On Wed, Sep 2, 2026, 9:52 AM Quan Tesla <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for sharing. Most useful application. Reminds me of the shift to: > noise = real signal. > > On Wed, 02 Sept 2026, 15:25 John Rose via AGI, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 02, 2026, at 9:03 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: >> >> Can competitive commerce and tortoise-like human decision systems afford >> to wait 3 to 10 months before starting to adapt to an "aware" AI-corporate >> reality? >> >> >> No. For example things like this need to be scrutinized for rogue AI's >> from a national security perspective: >> >> https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Template:DatabaseUNID >> > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T906c878e4ba411be-M7985595d47ef0d124f1e6c8e> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T906c878e4ba411be-M97fe72d55cc5904b6dc7ef59 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
